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Date:         Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:07:27 -0700
Reply-To:     turbodieseltrooper <turbodieseltrooper@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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From:         turbodieseltrooper <turbodieseltrooper@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or
              "parts vanagon"
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Oooooo!! The savings is MASSIVE, not! It does not save enough fuel to justify the additional cost over the simular gas powered vehicles. Till new battery tech reaches the consumer, hybrids and electrics are dead. More could be acomplished by building a new refinery( there has not been a new one in 30yrs) and/or allow the search of more domestic sources of crude while new battery tech is developed.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Wil Haslup" <wil@CHARMFX.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or "parts vanagon"

> turbodieseltrooper wrote: >> WRONG - The electric motor, of a hybrid, only works while moving away >> from a >> standstill for as long as there is juice in the battery. > > Which is why it adds economy....most fuel is lost on > acceleration/deceleration and not at speed. > >> A hybrid provides >> NO advantage at speeds above 35mph as it's running on gas. The only thing >> that we would get under your plan is landfills full of huge lead >> batteries >> and sulfric acid spills after major accidents. > > there are other storage technologies and one of the things > you don't hear about is that hybrids also use something called a > capacitance cell > > I include a Google link cause lots of these docs are PDFs. > > Essentially they are capacitors which permit larger capacities, quicker > responses and are more appropriate for uses in a hybrids. > > I've wondered for years why we still use lead acid batteries to start > our cars. Capacitance cells would be trouble when discharged but should > charge and jump the same as a lead acid. ...I'm guessing since they > don't have internals that will eventually stop holding charge they would > wreck the battery market. They might fail eventually but they should > last much longer than a lead acid battery. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom Young" <tomyoung1@COMCAST.NET> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or >> "parts vanagon" >> >> >>> Well, *of course* our fuel consumption problems can be solved by >>> technology! >>> If every new car purchased in America for the next 10 years was a hybrid >>> you >>> don't think fuel consumption would decline dramatically? Off course it >>> would! I'm pretty sure that building a Prius or whatever doesn't >>> consumme >>> significantly more resources than building a V8-powered SUV, so net >>> consumption of fuels of any sort would decline, a benefit of technology. > > Part of this line of thinking reminds me that old bays and splities were > mostly made of steel, rubber and glass. Sure that required oil to make > but lots of stuff in today's cars is plastic.....not only requiring oil > to make but is essentially oil in a different form....and much of it > will never breakdown. > > > -- > > Wil > > > -- http://www.charmfx.com/ > > "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those > who dream only by night." > -- Edgar Allen Poe


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