Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:00:08 -0700
Reply-To: Tom Young <tomyoung1@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Tom Young <tomyoung1@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or
"parts vanagon"
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A couple of thoughts:
1) Hmm... how do those hybrids end up with MGP figures so much higher than
regular internal combustion cars? I know! I know! Lots of people spend
lots of time in stop and go traffic, driving under 35 mph.
2) Ancillary problems with alternative technology (i.e., cars not powered
with massive V8 internal combustion engines) wasn't the issue. The flat
statement was fuel consumption problems "cannot simply be solved by
technology." It wasn't a "plan"; I was simply pointing out that the author
may have overstated the case.
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Tom Young
Lafayette, CA 94549
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----- Original Message -----
From: "turbodieseltrooper" <turbodieseltrooper@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or
"parts vanagon"
> WRONG - The electric motor, of a hybrid, only works while moving away from
a
> standstill for as long as there is juice in the battery. A hybrid provides
> NO advantage at speeds above 35mph as it's running on gas. The only thing
> that we would get under your plan is landfills full of huge lead batteries
> and sulfric acid spills after major accidents.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Young" <tomyoung1@COMCAST.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or
> "parts vanagon"
>
>
> > Well, *of course* our fuel consumption problems can be solved by
> > technology!
> > If every new car purchased in America for the next 10 years was a hybrid
> > you
> > don't think fuel consumption would decline dramatically? Off course it
> > would! I'm pretty sure that building a Prius or whatever doesn't
consumme
> > significantly more resources than building a V8-powered SUV, so net
> > consumption of fuels of any sort would decline, a benefit of technology.
> >
> > That's not saying that buying a hybrid necessarily passes your
> > cost-benefit
> > analysis; with gas at $2 per gallon it wouldn't for most people, unless
> > you
> > include the "feel good" factor.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Tom Young
> > Lafayette, CA 94549
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donald Baxter" <onanov@GMAIL.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or
> > "parts vanagon"
> >
> >
> > Mind you to all who are thinking about buying a new car to conserve
> > resources--new *anything* doesn't conserve resources for a long time
until
> > after the purchase. Think cost-benefit analysis before buying! VW
diesels
> > (or any other new more fuel-efficient car) are cute and sexy, but it
takes
> > a
> > long time to cover the initial expenditure. And those cars consume
massive
> > resources to build in the first place. A new Prius may make the more
> > touchy-feely of us feel good, but it seems to me our fuel consumption
> > problems are so systemic that they cannot simply be solved by
technology.
> > And like Joseph, i'm spending a lot of time walking and cycling and
> > looking
> > at my Vanagon parked!
> >
> > On 9/2/05, Joseph Fortino <fortino1@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> don't say anything but i ride my bike to work alot and save about 50 a
> >> week now.. shhhhh
> >> yup las vegas is nutty to ride in not for all..
> >>
> >> I get great mpg so far.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
> >> Sent: Sep 2, 2005 9:21 AM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car
or
> >> "parts vanagon"
> >>
> >> I've got a 92 Crown Vic and it gets over 18 around town and a 24/25 mpg
> >> on
> >> the highway. Much better than my 83 air cooled Vanagon at 16 -18 mpg
> >> highway
> >> and pretty poor 14-16 around town.
> >> I'm basing highway numbers on running a legal 70 mph.
> >> VW beetles and bugs along with Diesels get good mileage not big box
> >> models.
> >>
> >> Stan Wilder
> >> Engine Ceramics
> >> 214-352-4931
> >> www.engineceramics.com <http://www.engineceramics.com>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Roger Sisler" <rogersisler2000@YAHOO.COM>
> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:35 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car
or
> >> "parts vanagon"
> >>
> >>
> >> > My son went off to college a few days ago. Up till then he had been
> >> driving
> >> > a crown victoria(gallons per mile).Now he dosent have to buy gas.Man
> >> > did
> >> he
> >> > ever time the market just right! He is a business major ya know.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Donald Baxter
> > 316 Ridgeview Avenue
> > University Heights, Iowa 52246
> > www.onanov.com <http://www.onanov.com>
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