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Date:         Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:25:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: rattle INSIDE engine
Comments: To: ROBERT DONALDS <donalds1@verizon.net>
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LOL! Might I offer a cheaper solution? Guitar strings are long enough to make several distributor springs from each one. The only down side is tuning the spring properly since guitar strings need to be re-stretched before each playing. So your tune ups need to have that extra step clearly defined in the Bentley, Hayes, Tom Wilson's book and probably need an amendment to the owners manual to accommodate that extra step in the tune up process. For Labor day barbeque menu, this is what's happening. In Boston Area you guys are eating lobster smoked in butter sauce. In Texas Area we're eating brisket drowned in barbeque sauce and near burned to charcoal. The FEMA Labor Day menu is Crow no matter which state they deny that they are from.

Stan Wilder Engine Ceramics 214-352-4931 www.engineceramics.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT DONALDS" <donalds1@verizon.net> To: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET> Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: rattle INSIDE engine

> Stan > the note used depends on the spring needed Ive been cutting down the wires > from the same piano for years > > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:23 PM > Subject: Re: rattle INSIDE engine > > > > Jeeze! Bob I sorry to hear you've been destroying a whole piano just to > > get > > this 39 cent piece of piano wire. > > But I'm dying of curiosity about which note you use for the best results. > > I just been getting my piano wire from ACE Hardware in 12" lengths. > > > > Stan Wilder > > Engine Ceramics > > 214-352-4931 > > www.engineceramics.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ROBERT DONALDS" <donalds1@VERIZON.NET> > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:10 AM > > Subject: Re: rattle INSIDE engine > > > > > >> now all we need is a piano > >> Al I will send you a spring in good old US mail if you send me you > >> address > >> > >> going slower miles an hour with a pain in my wallet > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Al and Sue Brase" <albeeee@MCHSI.COM> > >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 4:42 AM > >> Subject: rattle INSIDE engine > >> > >> > >> > For the past several years, my 87 2.1 engine has had an internal > >> > rattle. > >> > Kind of sounds like a marble vibrating near the distributor. It rattles > >> > a lot faster than a loose valve lifter. Maybe twice a revolution > >> > instead > >> > of once every other revolution. This is an engine that I totally > >> > rebuilt > >> > about 6 years (60k miles) ago. It had spun a rod bearing. I put in a > >> > set > >> > of rebuilt 1.9 rods, reground the crank, new rings, etc. It runs great, > >> > but the oil pressure was a little low. First I just shorted out the > >> > high > >> > pressure sensor, but started using straight weight 40w oil for 9 months > >> > a year. That keeps the buzzer off. I wouldn't be surprised that I > >> > boogered something up in the assembly, but if it is a terminal error, > >> > it > >> > sure is getting there slowly. > >> > So, anyone have any ideas what might be the source of the rattle? I've > >> > pretty well eliminated all the external sources. > >> > Except possibly the plastic oil vent tower. Is there anything in there > >> > that can get loose and rattle? > >> > My other guess would be the distributor drive. Is there supposed to be > >> > only one thrust washer at the bottom? What determines the end play of > >> > the drive? (One thing that makes me wonder is that the timing seems to > >> > dither when you check it with a timing lite. Maybe moves around 4 > >> > degrees or so.) > >> > If the drive had excessive end play and was smacking up against the > >> > distributor every half turn, that might be my sound! It has about the > >> > right timbre or tone, if you know what I mean. > >> > Any suggestions? > >> > Al Brase > >> > 87 GL, 80 westy, 56 pickup >


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