Date:         Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:22:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Jeffrey Schwaia <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
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From:         Jeffrey Schwaia <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
Subject:      Re: interesting lifter thinking?? 1.9L still a problem child
              (update)
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Close.

The Bentley manual still states that hydraulic lifters should be adjusted 2
turns clockwise.

BUT... includes a note that it may become necessary to adjust the lifters to
.006 if the lifters become air bound.  After which, they are a little wishy
washy about whether or not you should readjust to two turns.  The actual
verbiage is: "Pre-loading the lifters could be considered optional and may
not be necessary".

Don't you just love that... "could be considered optional".  Boy, they're
really going out on a limb on that one.

BTW:  It's the same for air and water-cooled.

And Stan is correct about poorly manufactured lifters.  Due to many painful
experiences I can unequivocally state that no one should ever use SH**TY
Brazilian made hydraulic lifters in thier VW engines.  Don't do it!  They
are crap.

Cheers,

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
Of Stan Wilder
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:12 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: interesting lifter thinking?? 1.9L still a problem child
(update)


It has been stated here on the list that Bentley has corrected it's lifter
setting in newer publications to use Bob Donalds .006 setting for 1.9 and
2.1 WBXers, I think it might go for Air Cooled with hydraulic lifters too.
It has also been mentioned that often lifters catch a lot of the very fine
metal particles from new rings / cylinders etc and this causes problems
getting them to settle down.
I've destroyed many lifters in my investigations and trying to discover air
lock and never found any residual metal residue in any Air Cooled lifters.
Since lifters are mass produced I'd suspect that a few low quality machined
parts might be slipping through into dealer stocks.
I'm not going to buy a set and disassemble them to prove my point but with
the general poor quality of parts being shipped into the US at this time it
makes a good scapegoat.
I've had many new defects over the past few years that range from Ford
window regulators, VW front wheel bearings, Porsche fuel pump relays &
flasher relays. That includes 1/2 empty new R134a cans and defective gauges
on refrigeration double gauge manifolds.
I'm not blasting any list vendors so, please; No Flames.

Stan Wilder
Engine Ceramics
214-352-4931
www.engineceramics.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Sisler" <rogersisler2000@YAHOO.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: interesting lifter thinking?? 1.9L still a problem child
(update)


> This is an issue sure to cause debate. I must tell you that I once set my
> lifters per the Bentley(lash +2 turns)and got no compression. The valves
> remained open even when "closed" and this collapsed 2 of the lifters for
> good.The lifters were gunked up before hand, but I believe this wont be
> healthy for even new lifters.The best I can figure out is that Bentley
ment
> the settings to be lash +.2 turns.However I am certin this will not be
> agreed with.What I settled on , and what works fine for me is lash + 1/4
> turn.I think this sets the lifters at the mid range of their travel.Good
> luck in this prosess, Roger