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Date:         Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:41:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Brendan Coffey <bmc@THEORPHANAGE.COM>
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From:         Brendan Coffey <bmc@THEORPHANAGE.COM>
Subject:      Re: OT Hurricanes--really an accident?
Comments: To: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
In-Reply-To:  <c6cc881f6df6bd313355776ac0df092e@knology.net>
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And, frankly, none of this is the point. Can we PROVE global warming is happening? Well, the globe certainly is warming. Can we PROVE that hurricanes are getting more severe? Sort of. Can we PROVE that any of this is related to human fossil fuel consumption and emissions? Well, "prove" is a strong word.

And all of the my-god-created-the-universe-and-it's-only-three-hundred- years-old wackjobs jump up and shout, "Hah! So you admit it! It's only a theory!" Uh, yeah. So is gravity.

Is every ecological system we know how to measure currently in severe decline? Yes. Are human activities significantly destabilizing global ecosystems? Duh.

-bmc

On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 19:26 -0500, Jim Felder wrote:

> Wrong. Rush Limbaugh says that environmentalists say that, but they > don't say that. > > Jim > > On Sep 22, 2005, at 7:07 PM, turbodieseltrooper wrote: > > > That's the whole point - environmentalists says it's global warming > > just > > based on the last decade > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "greg crone" <l_levi1@yahoo.com> > > To: "turbodieseltrooper" <turbodieseltrooper@SBCGLOBAL.NET> > > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:55 AM > > Subject: Re: OT Hurricanes--really an accident? > > > > > >> Your're using two sets of numbers containing only 50 > >> units each. The standard deviation makes the results > >> useless.........Get 10,000 years on both sides of the > >> tech and non-tech eras and then you have something to > >> compare. > >> What you're doing is akin to flipping a coin 5 times > >> at night and 5 times in daylight, and saying the > >> sunlight caused the difference. > >> > >> --- turbodieseltrooper > >> <turbodieseltrooper@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote: > >> > >>> >> Global warming is not scientifically PROVEN, and > >>> even if it is happening, > >>> >> so what? We have NO idea why it's happening. > >>> > >>> >Not altogether true. Just like in plague times, > >>> there were people who knew. > >>> >they just didn't have the political voice to > >>> convince anyone who mattered. > >>> > >>> The ones who claim to know are rarley chalenged. > >>> They never admit that they > >>> are wrong and when proven wrong, they can only > >>> resort to name calling. > >>> > >>> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml > >>> > >>> This shows the number of hurrican strikes to the US, > >>> by decade, since 1851. > >>> I didn't plot it on a graph, but it does show signs > >>> of a cycle. The sources > >>> of greenhouse gases (ie cars) WERE NON existant or > >>> small in number (as > >>> compared to today) from 1851 to 1910. Now compare > >>> this to the years 1951 to > >>> 2004 which has lower numbers?? Facts don't lie. t > >>> appears that we are on an > >>> upward cycle. > >>> > >>> > don't think we need to think too much beyond > >>> simply lowering > >>> greenhouse gas output at this point, to cool down > >>> what we THINK we've essed > >>> up while we search for answers in a scientific > >>> environment unfettered by > >>> politics. > >>> > >>> It is the poltics of Socialism that drives the > >>> global warming crowd. You > >>> only need to look at the Kioto(sp?) accord. By it > >>> own reasearch, it will do > >>> very little, yet it handicaps the US. > >>> > >>> gunslinger13x > >>> allways outnumbered, never outgunned > >>> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >


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