Date:         Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:48:35 -0500
Reply-To:     Donald Baxter <onanov@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Donald Baxter <onanov@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: OT Generations of Passats, was "adjustable intermittent relay"
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We called the Audi twin to the VW Passat (Dasher) the Fox. It was a Audi 80
in Europe. Not to be confused with the VW Fox (which was called the Voyage
in it's native Brazil--and I think was called the VW Derby in Europe). I had
an '81 Dasher Diesel wagon. 1974 to 1978 with slight upgrades from 1979 -
1981. Wagon only available in 1981 in the USA.
 Now as to the Quantum/Santana being a first generation Passat? No. It was
clearly the second and began selling in the US in 1982 to 1989. While the
configuration of the first and second generation Passats (FWD,
longitudinally mounted engine) was the same, they shared nothing else but
some power trains. The Second Generation was larger, clunkier, had room for
the five cylinder Audi engine. Long, long hood. 1.6L Turbodiesel was an
option. Syncros came later. The third generation Passat, and fourth (without
much change other than some sheet metal) went to transverse. I have one of
these little nightmares, a '96 GLX Wagon that I constantly pray it will be
stolen on a trip to Chicago.
 The new Passat (which I just hate, by the way) goes back to horizontally
mounted engine. I hear the new Scirocco comes back in 2008. Sadly, I think
VW has just come out with a group of soul-less, but expensive cars. Except
for my '85 Vanagon, I think my VW jag is finally over.

 On 9/29/05, Andrew Grebneff <andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> Having owned and driven a first generation Passat in Germany back in
> 1980 (max sped 162 kph) I can tell you it wasn't an Audi 80/90. Maybe
> in NZ you got a re-badged Audi but the German ones were a few grades
>
> below that.
>
>
>  They were the same cars everywhere... including the Dasher. Look at the
> wagons... the rear end was identical VW/Audi. Early models, before the
> facelift (which gave them wraparound front indicators) were also identical,
> except for the grill.
>
>  The fastback was sold only as a Passat/Dasher. The notchback was sold
> only as an Audi. The wagon was sold as both.
>
>  Both Audi & VW versions came in grades from rock-bottom (you should've
> seen my 74 Passat S! Interior all vinyl, 1.3 engine, basic as).
> --
>  Andrew Grebneff
> Dunedin
> New Zealand
> Fossil preparator
> <andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
> Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut
>
> HUMANITY: THE ULTIMATE VON NEUMANN MACHINE
>
> DEMOCRACY: RULE BY THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR
>



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