Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:19:13 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Confused owner?
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Thank you for setting me straight on all that stuff Andrew.
Sorry I mis-used the term clone, I meant plagiarized design.
I'm sure the new generation of Japanese are quite inventive since they too
have learned to subcontract manufacturing to the Chinese and keep the money
management at home.
You need to have had a standard 235 CID OHV Chevy engine and the 1975 Land
Cruiser and you'd see the striking similarity. True not a clone, no metrics
in the Chevy.
Stan Wilder
Engine Ceramics
214-352-4931
www.engineceramics.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Grebneff" <andrew.grebneff@STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Confused owner?
> >I think you'll find that the Japanese aren't famous for inventing
anything
> >new.
>
> That's because of public ignorance, which is fortunately dying out
> with the older generations. I doubt Fuji Heavy Engineering had ever
> heard of Ferguson when they came up with the idea of building the
> world's first 4WD road car. How about V-Tec (1984), the compact
> cassette, CD, 8mm video camera... and who invented the LCD? (I don't
> know who, but would be far from surprised if it was the Japanese).
> These days BMW & Mercedes copy Japanese cars' styling cues.
>
> >They just copied the VW Air Cooled / Porsche Air Cooled and Vanagon
> >WBXer and built the engine without the gremlins that VW had in there.
>
> Come on. The earlier Subaru engines are similar to VW boxers in
> layout, but that is merely because there are only so many ways to
> build an ultracompact pushrod boxer!
>
> The Legacy-generation engines are as different to VW's as it is
> possible for a boxer to be, with more main bearings, SO/DOHC etc. And
> DON'T try to tell us that they are copies of Porsche wasserboxer
> engines.
>
> >I had a 1975 Toyota Land Cruiser and the 6 cylinder OHV engine was a
clone
> >of a Chevrolet 235 CID engine used in P Boats / Disposable Landing Craft
> >during world II.
>
> Any parts interchangability?? A clone is an identical unit. Not just
> something similar. you could just as easily say that a Chev V8 is a
> copy of a Ford. How many ways are there to make an iron pushrod
> straight-6 or V8?? Hardly Drivables are copies of Indians.
>
> The Japanese did NOT copy. Their early export cars were either
> in-house designs (Toyota Corolla, Corona, Crown) or LICENSED
> derivatives of English designs (Nissan Bluebird derived from Morris
> Oxford).
> --
> Andrew Grebneff
> Dunedin
> New Zealand
> Fossil preparator
> <andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
> Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut
>
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>
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