Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:41:51 -0700
Reply-To: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@TELUS.NET>
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From: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@TELUS.NET>
Subject: Re: Confused owner?
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But the valve covers sure looked identical to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Confused owner?
> Thank you for setting me straight on all that stuff Andrew.
> Sorry I mis-used the term clone, I meant plagiarized design.
> I'm sure the new generation of Japanese are quite inventive since they too
> have learned to subcontract manufacturing to the Chinese and keep the
money
> management at home.
> You need to have had a standard 235 CID OHV Chevy engine and the 1975 Land
> Cruiser and you'd see the striking similarity. True not a clone, no
metrics
> in the Chevy.
>
> Stan Wilder
> Engine Ceramics
> 214-352-4931
> www.engineceramics.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Grebneff" <andrew.grebneff@STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Confused owner?
>
>
> > >I think you'll find that the Japanese aren't famous for inventing
> anything
> > >new.
> >
> > That's because of public ignorance, which is fortunately dying out
> > with the older generations. I doubt Fuji Heavy Engineering had ever
> > heard of Ferguson when they came up with the idea of building the
> > world's first 4WD road car. How about V-Tec (1984), the compact
> > cassette, CD, 8mm video camera... and who invented the LCD? (I don't
> > know who, but would be far from surprised if it was the Japanese).
> > These days BMW & Mercedes copy Japanese cars' styling cues.
> >
> > >They just copied the VW Air Cooled / Porsche Air Cooled and Vanagon
> > >WBXer and built the engine without the gremlins that VW had in there.
> >
> > Come on. The earlier Subaru engines are similar to VW boxers in
> > layout, but that is merely because there are only so many ways to
> > build an ultracompact pushrod boxer!
> >
> > The Legacy-generation engines are as different to VW's as it is
> > possible for a boxer to be, with more main bearings, SO/DOHC etc. And
> > DON'T try to tell us that they are copies of Porsche wasserboxer
> > engines.
> >
> > >I had a 1975 Toyota Land Cruiser and the 6 cylinder OHV engine was a
> clone
> > >of a Chevrolet 235 CID engine used in P Boats / Disposable Landing
Craft
> > >during world II.
> >
> > Any parts interchangability?? A clone is an identical unit. Not just
> > something similar. you could just as easily say that a Chev V8 is a
> > copy of a Ford. How many ways are there to make an iron pushrod
> > straight-6 or V8?? Hardly Drivables are copies of Indians.
> >
> > The Japanese did NOT copy. Their early export cars were either
> > in-house designs (Toyota Corolla, Corona, Crown) or LICENSED
> > derivatives of English designs (Nissan Bluebird derived from Morris
> > Oxford).
> > --
> > Andrew Grebneff
> > Dunedin
> > New Zealand
> > Fossil preparator
> > <andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
> > Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut
> >
> > HUMANITY: THE ULTIMATE VON NEUMANN MACHINE
> >
> > DEMOCRACY: RULE BY THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR
>
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