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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:24:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Michael Diehr <md03@XOCHI.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Michael Diehr <md03@XOCHI.COM>
Subject:      Re: dometic 182b question
Comments: To: Roger Sisler <rogersisler2000@YAHOO.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <vanagon%2005110811550229@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
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On my last trip, I noticed that my fridge seemed to work much better if I kept the curtains open on the window above the fridge. My theory is that the curtains were blocking the airflow through the grill at the back of the fridge, causing heat buildup in the cabinet area, increasing the heat seeping through the back of the fridge, and increasing the temp of the cold vent pipe. It sounds like your insulation solution might solve that?

On the flip side, the heat from the fridge did keep the van interior a bit warmer. I'm wondering if perhaps the crazy Westfalia engineers designed things this way on purpose, to vent some heat into the van interior to keep it warmer on cool days? Or is it just poor design...

On Nov 8, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Roger Sisler wrote:

> I finished insulating the exhaust vent on my dometic. It was much more > difficult that I first believed it would be.The problem was odor > from the > insulating material.I finally solved this issue though.The heat > exiting the > vehicle from the insulated vent was 70 degrees warmer than > stock.This is > heat that would other wise be dumped into the passenger > compartment.Now it > exits the vehicle.Bake potatos, not people ,I say. I used my "parts > dometic " as gunnie pig.A gas grill propane tank/regulator did the > heating. > I removed the factory insulation that is contained by the galvanized > shield. Here, I first used a fire block fiberglass that is used > between > floors of a building. It is green and smelled to high > heaven.Operating the > frig overnite caused a smell that needed 4 days to go away.I found > out > that the #1 compaint in newly delivered moterhomes is smell from the > frig.Dealers are supposed to operate the friges first to get the > fiberglass > smell out.It needs to scorch proper , I think. Dont think this fire > block > would pass any test here-ever.Dont know what dometic used for the > origional > material , but savewhat you got at all costs.Dometic cant even tell > me what > they used. > > Well,after this beginning, I tried insulation from a dishwasher. > Insulation > from a old oven .Insulation from a westy wall.Insulatiom from a > house. R- > 13, I believe.My flagship insulation that I thought would save the > day was > a product called inswool. This is a high temp insulation that is > used in a > forge or to insulate exhaust manifolds. $7/sq ft. Type in > "inswool"in yahoo > to get the low down.They claim , no smell, but I still got it.I > rubbed the > exterior of the refrig pipes with muritic acid after each > insulation that I > tried, to get any residue off before the new test.Well, the inswool > smelled > too, but not as bad, and this odor got better after a > week.Still ,you could > not sleep in this space where the frig would eventually be. I > cycledthe > frig on and off several times/day ,if I had time, as this spead up the > scoraching process. > > I finally gave up on fiberglass, though not entirely. Here is what > finally > worked.I kept the origional fiberglass that was origional > material.Around > the upper vent I wrapped crumpeled aluminum foil .This well > crumpelled foil > was wrapped to a thickness of 1 inch around the vent the entire > legnth ,to > the aluminum collector at the exit of the vehicle.Around this, I > used the > inswool.My theory was that the tempature was now reduced enough to > not get > any smell from the inswool.It worked.To contain the aluminum foil/ > inswool,I > used roofers copper flashing. This is like 4 thicknesses of foil > and very > tough. I secured everything with zip ties. The lower vent was > wrapped with > 1 inch thick inswool on top of the galvanized stove pipe,and > wrapped with > the copper foil/zip ties. > > The tempature is 70 degrees higher at the exit.The other fiberglass > insulations gave me about 90 degrees higher exiting gas,but the > smell was > to much.Aluminum is not so good an insulater,butI found it > necessary.I see > several benifits from this insulation.First, the heat is reduced > that would > have gone into the passenger compartment.Second, the heat load on > the top > and rear of the frig is reduced. The heat transfer to the amonia > pipe is > increased as the inlulation keeps it warmer in there.I also put an > inch of > fiberglass on the top of the frig to reduce heat load at the top of > the > frig.I removed the insulation on the wall of the westy to allow the > rear > heat to conduct out the metal wall of the van(3.5 sq ft).By > lowering the > tempature at the rear of the frig. the fans will not come on as > often. This > will save the starting battery is vehicles not equipped with an > auxillery > battery.Dont want a dead battery in the morning in the middle of > nowhere.Every little bit helps. No one procedure will hit a homerun in > dometic improvment.Roger >


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