Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:12:50 -0800
Reply-To: mark drillock <drillock@EARTHLINK.NET>
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From: mark drillock <drillock@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: Vanagon Zetec Conversion update
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One problem for the Bostig Zetec is that an Executive Order would be for
exactly one version of the Zetec and Bostig wants to offer an assortment
of power levels from different configurations. Also CARB has tightened
their interpretation of what qualifies and in addition all 1996+
vehicles have OBDII which must be implemented in the conversions if one
of those engines is used. The conversion is supposed to have all the
sensors and such that the donor vehicle had and this is a practical
impossibility for Vanagons to comply with in some cases. At the very
least Bostig would have to settle on a specific version of the
conversion and then spend the time and money to get it qualified. Not
easy to do from a distance. Neither the Kennedy or TIICO applications
were for OBDII engines so they got away with a simpler configuration
than any Zetec would be subject to. That said I think it would be great
if Bostig was able to get an EO for their conversion but as a practical
matter it does not always help very much. Anyone who has followed the
trials and tribulations of Subaru and TIICO converties would know that
the Carb Executive Order can be a bigger can of worms than just taking
your chances with a referee is. The main purpose of the EO is that you
can supposedly get your required smog checks done at any smog station
just by driving in for your 2 year smog check and showing them a copy of
the EO but it often does not actually turn out to work that way.
California smog stations are mostly hesitant to take on the perceived
legal liability for testing Vanagons under a conversion EO. They often
deem it not worth the risk and tend to just refuse to test your vehicle
unless it has a Sticker issued by a CARB referee. Trying to get a Carb
referee sticker is harder if you do it under an EO since the discretion
that a referee otherwise has to approve conversions is restricted by the
detailed listing in the EO and the conversion must comply with a strict
application of what the EO says is ok.
Mark
Jon Brown wrote:
>>Zetec in California
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>If it's a motor configuration sold in California, which I assume it is, then
>it's legal in California provided you carry over all the emissions equipment
>from the California emissions equipment vehicle it was (or would have been)
>installed in. ie. if the motor could/would have been in a 2005 Ford Focus
>then all you have to do is make sure you install every bit of emissions
>equipment in your vanagon that was (would have been) in the 2005 Ford Focus.
>ALL the emissions equipment means you need to use the SAME catalytic
>converter or two as the case may be... multiple o2 sensors are also now
>popular... check engine light... charcoal canisters... etc... etc...
>
>If you do all that and take it to a California BAR (Bureau of Automotive
>Repair) referee they can verify everything and issue you a "green sticker"
>and viola your legal in California and for ever one you'll be considered a
>2005 ford focus as far as smog stations are concerned. .............
>
>
>What Kennedy did and TiiCo (sort of) did was to get a CARB (California Air
>Resource Board) Executive Order (EO). This requires some extensive and
>"somewhat" expensive emissions testing of a "prototype". It was probably
>easier when Kennedy did it than it is now. Regardless, getting the CARB EO
>does two important things. 1) it gives a blanket approval to everyone that
>installs the conversion as it was tested and approved, a major bonus over
>putting everything in the sometimes subjective hands of a BAR Referee; and
>2) it allows converetees to go directly to a regular SMOG station rather
>than to the dreaded BAR Referee.
>
>I know nothing about the Zetec, but I'm sure the Bostig guys could chime in
>to whether they are carrying over 100% of the California emissions equipment
>on the conversion. Note, 100% of the CALIFORNIA equipment which often is
>more then the EPA 49 State equipment.
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