Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:57:10 -0500
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
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From: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: Those dreaded 9 words...
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I think you are forgetting a few things. If the vehicle needs an engine,
then most likely the engine conversion is only the down payment to keep
it going. If doing a TDi, you also need to consider the transmission
gear change costs. Hear in the Northeast USA, a diesel conversion may
soon be worthless. Most of the Northeast states are heading towards
following the California standards. As for Vanagons holding value, only
the campers and crew cabs are doing well. A 7 passenger Syncro is often
worth more as parts.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
Of David Marshall
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:19 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Those dreaded 9 words...
Well... few things to look at. What do you use it for and how long do
you
really want to drive a Vanagon? If the answer is that you use it for
everything and want to keep it for five plus years then dropping 8K on
an
engine conversion is worth it.
I am assuming that you do not have any payments on the van now, so what
is
8000 over five years... that would be sixty payments of around $150
assuming
some interest. At the end of those five years, what do you have? I
think
the answer should be a TDI Vanagon that runs well and it's worth
10.000+,
Now, buy an 8000 car, drive it for five years - if it will last that
long -
and what do you have... a 2000 or 3000 car.... I'd rather not loose
money
myself! To me, a Toyota is a cookie cutter vehicle, nobody loves them,
takes them to shows where other people ooogle over them - where's the
fun in
that?
David Marshall
Fast Forward Automotive Inc.
4356 Quesnel-Hixon Road
Quesnel BC Canada V2J 6Z3
Internet: http://www.fastforward.ca
Email: sales@fastforward.ca
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
Of
Michael Diehr
Sent: December 8, 2005 8:29
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Those dreaded 9 words...
"Honey, I think we should consider selling the Vanagon?"
Pardon? "Shelving" the vanagon? No honey, it's got shelves in it
already. And besides, why would we want to work on the interior
when the engine is dead....the engine...the engine is dead....it's
dead. Uh oh. That's not what you said, is it? What did you say
exactly?
It could happen to you. The fear. Those words...echoing in your head.
How do I convince my sig.other that spending $4k to $8k on a engine
rebuild/fix/swap actually is a good idea. This is, after all, a 20
year old car with 150k miles on it. I think she's still mad over
the 24 hours spent broken down in the middle of nowhere on our last
vacation. She's also concerned about global warming. And
societal breakdown. So I'm thinking maybe start with the TDI
conversion running biodiesel (reliable and good for the environment)
and then negotiate from there? Maybe the idea that the vanagon
could be up-armored a lot easier than a Camry, and we'd probably look
silly driving a Camry with mohawks and crossbows?
Help me out here!
:-)