Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:20:24 -0500
Reply-To: Tim Demarest <tim.demarest@POBOX.COM>
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From: Tim Demarest <tim.demarest@POBOX.COM>
Subject: Re: CARB & Alaska - States Rights
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Actually for Alaska, it's Canadian Air Resources Board... prevailing winds,
ya know?
Damn! I'm a day early for Fried-day.
At 12:07 PM 12/8/2005 -0800, Bruce Nadig wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Interesting e-mail. Scary actually.
>
>Do you really have to have CARB (California Air Resources Board) approval
>for an engine conversion in parts of Alaska? Is it actual CARB approval, or
>some Alaskan body similar to CARB?
>
>Not to get into a huge political thread here, but it is mighty scary when
>one state is in a position to dictate what another autonomous states does.
>If CARB approval is truly required by Alaska (in certain locations), Alaska
>has effectively decided to roll over and let another state dictate what it
>can do. Sure, I understand that Alaska can probably change its own rules
>whenever it wants to, but it is a frightening idea that one independent
>state would really willingly give so much authority to another state.
>
>I can understand patterning a program after California, but actual CARB
>approval? Think of the implications and possibilities. Can you imagine New
>York agreeing to follow Texas TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission)
>regulations and requirements (parts of the city of Dallas are dry, while
>other parts are wet, some counties are completely dry while others have no
>dry areas, at least 5 different types of retail alcohol licenses that I know
>of {under one you can sell a 6-pack to someone, but it can only be taken off
>premises for consumption, however if you sell a single beer to that same
>person, he/she MUST drink it on premises and cannot take it off site}). New
>Yorkers wouldn't stand for it.
>
>I'm surprised that Alaskans would allow this. As ya'll might know (or
>guess), I'm from Texas (born, raised, and lived there for 40 years) and
>states' rights are of supreme importance to me.
>
>Just Thinking Out Loud,
>Bruce
>motorbruce
>motorbruce@hotmail.com
>
>>From: Mark Tuovinen <mst@AK.NET>
>>Reply-To: Mark Tuovinen <mst@AK.NET>
>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>Subject: Re: Zetec CA approval was: Vanagon Zetec Conversion update
>>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:35:42 -0900
>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>Just a FYI, those of us in either Anchorage or Fairbanks Alaska would also
>>need CARB approval to run your conversion. We do have the option of
>>"seasonal use" registration, but if we want to drive our vans year round it
>>must have the stock engine or a CARB approved conversion.
>>
>>I reviewed your site and like what I see so far, not that I need an engine
>>now. I am currently leaning toward a TDI conversion in the future as I
>>want to run WVO and would like to see the mileage figures that they can
>>attain.
>>
>>Mark in AK
>>87 Westy Syncro
>>86 7Pass Syncro (rolled but running)
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Bostig Eng." <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
>>Date: Thursday, December 8, 2005 8:23 am
>>Subject: Zetec CA approval was: Vanagon Zetec Conversion update
>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>
>> > Hi Jon,
>> >
>> > Thanks for this response. This is half the problem though... one
>> > of our
>> > interested folks in CA contacted BAR and they said that you have
>> > to have
>> > the TRANSMISSION from the vehicle as well... which is odd since I
>> > swearI;ve seen conversions with BAR stickers on them. In any
>> > case, we are
>> > looking for a CARB EO number so that customers won't have to fight
>> > with a
>> > BAR ref and spend an entire day getting inspected(which I hear can
>> > be the
>> > case if the ref had a fight with his wife). In any case, I
>> > believe we
>> > should be able to obtain the EO once we have the resrouces to do
>> > so. We
>> > need to get a few more of the conversions on the road and then
>> > bring a
>> > Zetec caravan to CA for your guys out there, and to stop by the
>> > variousboards in person so they can't dodge our phone
>> > calls(apparently they only
>> > want to talk if I say I have about $10,000 ready right now to
>> > spend on the
>> > process). In any case, we were hoping that we could pull a CA
>> > Zetec list
>> > togther, and maybe help with some of the information gathering to
>> > speedthings along.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Jim Akiba
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 09:59 PM 12/7/2005, Jon Brown wrote:
>> > >nstalled in. ie. if the motor could/would have been in a 2005
>> > Ford Focus
>> > >then all you have to do is make sure you install every bit of
>> > emissions>equipment in your vanagon that was (would have been) in
>> > the 2005 Ford Focus.
>> > >ALL the emissions equipment means you need to use the SAME catalytic
>> > >converter or two as the case may be... multiple o2 sensors are
>> > also now
>> > >popular... check engine light... charcoal canisters... etc... etc...
>> > >
>> > >If you do all that and take it to a California BAR (Bureau of
>> > Automotive>Repair) referee they can verify everything and issue
>> > you a "green sticker"
>> > >and viola your legal in California and for ever one you'll be
>> > considered a
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
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