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Date:         Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:52:35 -0900
Reply-To:     Mark Tuovinen <mst@AK.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Mark Tuovinen <mst@AK.NET>
Subject:      Re: CARB & Alaska - States Rights
Comments: To: Jon Brown <jbrown510@GMAIL.COM>
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Jon, Bruce, and all who care,

Anchorage and Fairbanks have followed CARB rules for many years. It is done through the local municipality, but uses CARB guidelines. We do not have the volume of vehicles but what we lack there we make for with winter time cold air inversions. Our smog gets trapped under the inversion and we exceed the Federal Air Quality Standards. Thanks to cleaner burning cars and Global Warming this has not happened in a few years, but if we exceed the limits once the Feds may withhold highway funds. As California had the most strict program it was probably cheapest and easiest to copy them then invent our own. At one point Anchorage did decide that CARB rules were not strict enough and tried to make their own program but I believe that they gave that up for the most part. I was part of a group of people that pushed through the seasonal use waiver system in `94. Those of us with classic and/or muscle cars, and RV's were tired of having to smog test vehicles that were not even o n the road during the winter months when smog becomes an issue, and many of these vehicles do not drive more then a few hundred miles a summer. You think that it is fun trying to get your vanagon to pass am I/M test, try my friends 1969 Boss 429 Mustang that was stripped of its smog equipment in 1969. He can only blame himself however as he is the original owner.

Mark in AK

----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Brown <jbrown510@GMAIL.COM> Date: Thursday, December 8, 2005 12:45 pm Subject: Re: CARB & Alaska - States Rights To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM

> This isn't too surprising to me. It's simply a matter of > efficiency. Why > would Alaska want to duplicate all the bureaucracy in California > and why > would Alaska want to subject vendors with an additional certification > procedure. The ONLY reason California gets away with it is > because it's the > single biggest market for automotive products, next to the other > 49 states > combined anyway. > > It's not like Alaska couldn't at a moments notice decided to > change there > mind about CARB approved aftermarket items. I believe it's not > just Alaska > by the way, Washington and Oregon were talking about a similar > approach.Effectively expanding California's "special" requirements > to be "western > states" requirements. At this point I'm talking about more than just > CARB/SMOG issues... this includes other sources of pollution. > > Could you imagine how impossible it would be if each state came up > with it's > own testing and certification procedures for after market parts? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Nadig" <motorbruce@HOTMAIL.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: [VANAGON] CARB & Alaska - States Rights > > > > Mark, > > > > Interesting e-mail. Scary actually. > > > > Do you really have to have CARB (California Air Resources Board) > approval> for an engine conversion in parts of Alaska? Is it > actual CARB approval, > or > > some Alaskan body similar to CARB? > > > > Not to get into a huge political thread here, but it is mighty > scary when > > one state is in a position to dictate what another autonomous > states does. > > If CARB approval is truly required by Alaska (in certain locations), > Alaska > > has effectively decided to roll over and let another state > dictate what it > > can do. Sure, I understand that Alaska can probably change its > own rules > > whenever it wants to, but it is a frightening idea that one > independent> state would really willingly give so much authority > to another state. > > > > I can understand patterning a program after California, but > actual CARB > > approval? Think of the implications and possibilities. Can you > imagine New > > York agreeing to follow Texas TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage > Commission)> regulations and requirements (parts of the city of > Dallas are dry, while > > other parts are wet, some counties are completely dry while > others have no > > dry areas, at least 5 different types of retail alcohol licenses > that I > know > > of {under one you can sell a 6-pack to someone, but it can only > be taken > off > > premises for consumption, however if you sell a single beer to > that same > > person, he/she MUST drink it on premises and cannot take it off > site}).New > > Yorkers wouldn't stand for it. > > > > I'm surprised that Alaskans would allow this. As ya'll might > know (or > > guess), I'm from Texas (born, raised, and lived there for 40 > years) and > > states' rights are of supreme importance to me. > > > > Just Thinking Out Loud, > > Bruce > > motorbruce > > motorbruce@hotmail.com > > > > >From: Mark Tuovinen <mst@AK.NET> > > >Reply-To: Mark Tuovinen <mst@AK.NET> > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > >Subject: Re: Zetec CA approval was: Vanagon Zetec Conversion update > > >Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:35:42 -0900 > > > > > >Jim, > > > > > >Just a FYI, those of us in either Anchorage or Fairbanks Alaska > wouldalso > > >need CARB approval to run your conversion. We do have the > option of > > >"seasonal use" registration, but if we want to drive our vans > year round > it > > >must have the stock engine or a CARB approved conversion. > > > > > >I reviewed your site and like what I see so far, not that I > need an > engine > > >now. I am currently leaning toward a TDI conversion in the > future as I > > >want to run WVO and would like to see the mileage figures that > they can > > >attain. > > > > > >Mark in AK > > >87 Westy Syncro > > >86 7Pass Syncro (rolled but running) > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Bostig Eng." <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM> > > >Date: Thursday, December 8, 2005 8:23 am > > >Subject: Zetec CA approval was: Vanagon Zetec Conversion update > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > > > > > Hi Jon, > > > > > > > > Thanks for this response. This is half the problem though... one > > > > of our > > > > interested folks in CA contacted BAR and they said that you have > > > > to have > > > > the TRANSMISSION from the vehicle as well... which is odd > since I > > > > swearI;ve seen conversions with BAR stickers on them. In any > > > > case, we are > > > > looking for a CARB EO number so that customers won't have to > fight> > > with a > > > > BAR ref and spend an entire day getting inspected(which I > hear can > > > > be the > > > > case if the ref had a fight with his wife). In any case, I > > > > believe we > > > > should be able to obtain the EO once we have the resrouces > to do > > > > so. We > > > > need to get a few more of the conversions on the road and then > > > > bring a > > > > Zetec caravan to CA for your guys out there, and to stop by the > > > > variousboards in person so they can't dodge our phone > > > > calls(apparently they only > > > > want to talk if I say I have about $10,000 ready right now to > > > > spend on the > > > > process). In any case, we were hoping that we could pull a CA > > > > Zetec list > > > > togther, and maybe help with some of the information > gathering to > > > > speedthings along. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jim Akiba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:59 PM 12/7/2005, Jon Brown wrote: > > > > >nstalled in. ie. if the motor could/would have been in a 2005 > > > > Ford Focus > > > > >then all you have to do is make sure you install every bit of > > > > emissions>equipment in your vanagon that was (would have > been) in > > > > the 2005 Ford Focus. > > > > >ALL the emissions equipment means you need to use the SAME > catalytic> > > >converter or two as the case may be... multiple > o2 sensors are > > > > also now > > > > >popular... check engine light... charcoal canisters... > etc... etc... > > > > > > > > > >If you do all that and take it to a California BAR (Bureau of > > > > Automotive>Repair) referee they can verify everything and issue > > > > you a "green sticker" > > > > >and viola your legal in California and for ever one you'll be > > > > considered a > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > Bostig Engineering > > > > Engine Systems Voodoo > > > > http://www.bostig.com/ > > > > 978.772.3274 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > --- > > > > >


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