Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:54:24 -0500
Reply-To: Hans Achter <hansachter@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Hans Achter <hansachter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Nokian Tires
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The whine comes from all four tires. But it's relatively low compared to some other tires. For instance, BFG AT's make much more noise than these. The whine is not really at an annoying level to me.
There's no problem with handling in summer - they will work great in rainy weather of course. The tires should hold up in summer but will probably wear a bit faster than in winter, but I don't have any data to back that up.. I run a set of Cooper SRM II highway rib in the summer, which are very quiet and wear long.
Don't bother with wider rims - you can mount a pretty wide tire on a 6", as wide as you would want to mount on a vanagon anyway.
-Hans
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From: "Mark C" <obeechi@RUNBOX.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Nokian Tires
I've been receiving email that hasn't been deleted for more than a year I think.., so though I'll check the archives.., I have checked my own "archive"..,.
I'm a little surprise that the CQ is more of a winter only compared to the C2, I was assuming the reverse for some reason..,
As far as the high pitched whine..., I remember a paint shop telling me the can spray under the van this sound dampening stuff which also helps with protection.., and since we sit on the front wheel wells that would be a good place to try that stuff out.., high pitches are easier to cut than low pitches.., I'm assuming what you hear is from the front tires only and not the rear..., and a sound dampening material isn't a bad idea irregardless of tire..,
I like what you say about no problem in snow unstudded.., and running 80mph no problem.., I'm curious what you think of them on dry paved roads in summer.., and you know, those freeways in Seatle are visciously rugged..., (I don't live there, but plan to go up there again..), and I don't think it rains as much as it used to up there.., someone said the rubber was kind of soft, so I hope Seatle in dry weather wouldn't tear those tires up..,
And on making a winter tire into a year round tire.., you'd have to compromise in favor of summer.., and since narrower is better for wetter, and wider is better for dry paved roads.., I wonder if choosing 7 inch wide wheels in stead of 6 inch wide wheels isn't such a compromise???
Thanks for your reply Hans, it was very helpful.., so far the only real complaint I've heard is of noise on these tires.., and the only tires I'm really considering at this point are Nokian, and Vred's Comtrac..,
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From: "Hans Achter" <hansachter@hotmail.com>
To: <obeechi@RUNBOX.COM>,
<vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Subject: Re: Re: Nokian Tires
> They have no problem running in snow and ice without studs. If you're running on ice and snow all the time on poor roads then you could get them studded.
> The C2 is supposedly more of a 'year-round' tread compound, and the CQ is more of a winter-only compound. That's the way I understand it anyway.
> They feel good running at any speed. I've run 75 - 80 mph for many hours at a time and they have no problem with it. They do get a high pitched whine after running a while, but it's not too bad.
> I am getting excellent tread life from my set of C2s.
> You can check the archives for a lot of discussion of these tires.
> -Hans
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark C" <obeechi@RUNBOX.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Nokian Tires
>
>
> You know I've never driven in the snow.., so with these tires without studs.., its no problem in the snow??? or ice?? or water?? and since you use them year round, can you take them up to 75 mph on the freeway with no problem.., I mean they feel good runing hi speed?? and.., what kind of life do these tires offer, how many miles.., I'm kinda intrigued that I've never really been aware of these tires before.., the company has stock sized tires for a vanagon, the 185R14's.., in three different tires.., they must like vanagons in Finland..,
>
> ----- Start Original Message -----
> From: Mike Collum <collum@VERIZON.NET>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Nokian Tires
>
> > My Nokian Hakkapeliitta C2s (185 14) came "studdable" but I didn't have
> > them studded. I use them year round.
> >
> > Mike
> > Houlton, Maine
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark C wrote:
> > > Hi, are you running these tires year round?? They have studs from what I read.., you do have the C2..,
> > >
> > > I'm looking at all Nokian stuff.., never really looked into their stuff before..,
> > >
> > > In WR (worlds fastest friction tire for changing winter conditions) they have
> > > 205 65R15 99H XL, not sure what XL means
> > > 215 65R15 100H
> > >
> > > In i3 (high performance for cool rainy conditions) they have
> > > 205 65R15 99T XL
> > >
> > > In NRC2 (a three season tire) they have
> > > 225 70R15 110S
> > > 205 65R15 100S
> > >
> > > In Hakka RSi (R speed for chaning weather conditions, snow ice wet) they have
> > > 205 70R15 100R XL
> > > 205 65R15 99R XL
> > > 215 65R15 100R XL
> > >
> > > In Hakka CQ (van tire, studdless, good for ice snow wet dry) they have,
> > > 225 70R15 110Q
> > > 205 65R15 100Q
> > >
> > > In Hakka C2 (studded) they have
> > > 225 70R15 110Q
> > > 205 65R15 100Q
> > >
> > > In Hakka 4 they have
> > > 215 65R15 100T XL
> > >
> > > I've omitted tires that we not of a load index of at least 97, and these are all of tires for a a 15 inch wheel.., also there are some summer tires available which I haven't listed...,
> > >
> > > So are there any Nokianee's out there using the above tires??
> > >
> > > And mtbiker62, are you running your C2's year round..,?? Are these quiet enough to do that??
> > >
> > > I get confused on the speed rating.., I know Z is fast.., and isn't R just standard speed..,
> > >
> > > So when I see 95T is that T for a speed rating of T, or is it something else??
> > >
> > > I commonly hit speeds of 80 to 85 miles an hour, sometimes for a duration of time.., and I have no information at this point on how much air these tires each can hold..,
> > >
> > > BTW, what psi are people running w tires on 15 inch wheels?? I know that on 14 inch wheels, 45 for the front and 55 for the rear is common..,
> > >
> > > I know some people like Agilis 51's on a 15 inch wheel.., but I don't think they're as good for snow conditions.., and some of these Nok's have a wheel lip protector.., I could really use that for the way I park against curbs sometimes..,
> > >
> >
>
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