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Date:         Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:45:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Sudhir Desai <sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Sudhir Desai <sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: (rear) cv joint
Comments: To: Mike Collum <collum@verizon.net>
In-Reply-To:  <440B00C7.7060203@verizon.net>
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hehehehe~ true. I never think about those things.

I think the only things not fun about working on the van are the engine, transmission disassembly, and replacing coolant.

Sudhir

On 3/5/06, Mike Collum <collum@verizon.net> wrote: > Shouldn't your advice have stated that it was for those who have a huge > vat of Saab CV grease and think the procedure is fun? > > I've had my '84 since '91 and I've repacked the CVs once. At that time > I swapped in one used axle (repacked, of course) because the joints on > the one axle were just too far gone. > > I've read that they should be done every 30,000 miles but I tend to > exceed that mileage with visual inspections of the boots. > > I got my '85 in 2002 and have only inspected the boots several times. I > have no idea when they were last serviced, but they're not giving me any > problems. > > Mike > > > Sudhir Desai wrote: > > For that much money? Definately not. I did it because I have a huge > > vat of saab cv grease laying around and it was fun. > > > > ~that's pretty bad to pay almost $1000 to get em done. :( > > > > Sudhir > > > > > > On 3/5/06, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote: > > > >>Would you still do this if you had to pay $150-$200 for it? Shop labor > >>here is now ~ $85/hour. Plus taxes. Is this frequency really value > >>added. > >> > >>Dennis > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Sudhir Desai [mailto:sudhir.desai@gmail.com] > >>Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:32 AM > >>To: Dennis Haynes > >>Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > >>Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint > >> > >>why not? > >>I did it with my red 'n white van. sure, it might have been overkill, > >>but I never had a cv "go bad" on me. > >> > >>On 3/5/06, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote: > >> > >>>Annual CV joint inspections! Please stop! The real trick to CV joint > >>>life is using the proper lubricant. Shortly after the Vanagon got the > >> > >>WB > >> > >>>engine CV joint noises where becoming a common problem. Around '86, VW > >>>changed the grease to some higher temperature formulae. This > >> > >>eliminated > >> > >>>the problem. The grease that is supplied in all of the aftermarket > >> > >>kits, > >> > >>>(blue tube) is the older grease. If you get the kits from the dealer, > >>>you get the later grease (white tube). Also, for the front outer > >> > >>joints > >> > >>>the dealer kits have the correct high strength, longer locking nut. > >>> > >>>Dennis > >>>1987 Syncro Westy > >>>FUN BUS > >>>235,600 miles original CV joints and engine. > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > >> > >>Behalf > >> > >>>Of Sudhir Desai > >>>Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:31 PM > >>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >>>Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint > >>> > >>>When I was at skip barber, we rebuilt the cv's in all the cars at > >>>regular intervals as they were rotated in and out of service. What I > >>>remember most was the scrap pile that contained mountains of junk cv's > >>>that had very little wrong with them whatsoever (the small grooves you > >>>mentioned would have been cause to junk the entire assembly). That's > >>>on heavy usage racecars, so there's not exactly a 1-1 correlation, but > >>>I would recommend purchasing a new set of 4 and then getting to know > >>>them better by rebuilding them once a year. :D > >>> > >>>my $.02 > >>> > >>>Sudhir > >>> > >>>On 3/4/06, Wesley Pegden <wes@cs.uchicago.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>>>Thanks for all the replies and help! > >>>> > >>>>Here's the damage report. > >>>> > >>>>I have all joints out and pretty well cleaned up. None of them are > >>>>perfect: two of them have shallow grooves in the outer ring, but no > >>>>pitting. Is this cause for replacement? (If so, I need to replace > >>> > >>>all > >>> > >>>>4). The joints weren't making noise while on the car, and off the > >> > >>car > >> > >>>>in my hand, they felt good and smooth. The grooves average perhaps > >>> > >>>1cm > >>> > >>>>long and 1mm wide, and they're not very deep... some are easier to > >> > >>see > >> > >>>>than to feel, and some are easier to feel than to see. But then > >>> > >>>again, > >>> > >>>>some tracks on the outer piece have 2 or 3 of these (usually in > >>> > >>>parallel). > >>> > >>>>One of the joints has a ball with a little nick on one of the balls, > >>> > >>>and > >>> > >>>>a little bit of pitting in some of the tracks of the outer ring (in > >>>>addition to the grooves)---I guess I'm thinking I need to replace > >> > >>this > >> > >>>one. > >>> > >>>>Finally, the last one has slight pitting on several of the balls, > >> > >>some > >> > >>>>wider grooves on the outer piece (one almost a cm wide), and > >>> > >>>significant > >>> > >>>>pitting in one of the tracks on the inner piece. I guess I'm > >> > >>thinking > >> > >>>I > >>> > >>>>need to replace this one. > >>>> > >>>>So, I guess my question is... am I right that I'm best off replacing > >>>>these two, and is it unwise to keep the other two, whose problems > >> > >>are > >> > >>>>mainly grooves? > >>>> > >>>>Thanks very much, > >>>>Wes > >>>> > >>>>.John Rodgers wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>Nope! Wear rates are diferent in each CV and that wear changes > >> > >>the > >> > >>>>>specs. our fits and clearances in the mixed parts would be all out > >>> > >>>of > >>> > >>>>>whack. The mixed-and-matched CV assembly wouldn't hold up very > >> > >>long > >> > >>>>>and there would be ve\irtually no reliability. The thing would > >>>>>probably come apart and leave you stranded halfway between > >> > >>Somewhere > >> > >>>>>and Nowhere, USA. > >>>>> > >>>>>Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>>John Rodgers > >>>>>88 GL Driver x2 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Wesley Pegden wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>I think everything I've read has been pretty clear about this, > >> > >>but > >> > >>>I > >>> > >>>>>>just want to check... I can't mix and match pieces from two of my > >>>>>>(original lobro) joints to get one good joint, right? The > >> > >>stamping > >> > >>>on > >>> > >>>>>>both joints is the same: > >>>>>>VW [logo] 211 501 331 B > >>>>>>LOBRO 49/83 W/GERMANY % N > >>>>>> > >>>>>>(The percent sign is a diamond with a W in it). > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Thanks very much, > >>>>>>Wes > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Wesley Pegden wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Let me rephrase that... does a nick in one of the balls mean > >> > >>that > >> > >>>>>>>JOINT needs to be replaced? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>-Wes > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Wesley Pegden wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Does a nick in one of the balls mean a new bearing is > >> > >>required?? > >> > >>>>>>>>Thanks... > >>>>>>>>-Wes > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Sam Walters wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>For excellent instructions on CV removal, cleaning and > >>> > >>>reassembly, > >>> > >>>>>>>>>and > >>>>>>>>>installation, check these two links. The second expands on > >> > >>the > >> > >>>>>>>>>first. > >>>>>>>>>Pictures and explanation of how to know you reassembled them > >>>>>>>>>correctly. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://volksweb.relitech.com/cvjoints.htm Tom Carrington's > >>> > >>>web > >>> > >>>>>>>>>site > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>and Ben Huot's additions to this at > >>>>>>>>>http://www.benplace.com/cv_joint_maintenance.htm > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>-- > >>>>>>>>>Sam Walters > >>>>>>>>>Baltimore, MD > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>89 Syncro GL, Zetec Inside > >>>>>>>>>85 Westy Weekender > >>>>>>>>>85 Mercedes Benz 300D Turbodiesel - to become veggie oil > >> > >>powered > >> > >>>>>>>>>All incoming and outgoing email scanned by > >>>>>>>>>automatically updated copy of Norton AntiVirus. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > > >


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