Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:42:55 -0500
Reply-To: Sudhir Desai <sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Sudhir Desai <sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint
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For that much money? Definately not. I did it because I have a huge
vat of saab cv grease laying around and it was fun.
~that's pretty bad to pay almost $1000 to get em done. :(
Sudhir
On 3/5/06, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote:
> Would you still do this if you had to pay $150-$200 for it? Shop labor
> here is now ~ $85/hour. Plus taxes. Is this frequency really value
> added.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sudhir Desai [mailto:sudhir.desai@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:32 AM
> To: Dennis Haynes
> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint
>
> why not?
> I did it with my red 'n white van. sure, it might have been overkill,
> but I never had a cv "go bad" on me.
>
> On 3/5/06, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote:
> > Annual CV joint inspections! Please stop! The real trick to CV joint
> > life is using the proper lubricant. Shortly after the Vanagon got the
> WB
> > engine CV joint noises where becoming a common problem. Around '86, VW
> > changed the grease to some higher temperature formulae. This
> eliminated
> > the problem. The grease that is supplied in all of the aftermarket
> kits,
> > (blue tube) is the older grease. If you get the kits from the dealer,
> > you get the later grease (white tube). Also, for the front outer
> joints
> > the dealer kits have the correct high strength, longer locking nut.
> >
> > Dennis
> > 1987 Syncro Westy
> > FUN BUS
> > 235,600 miles original CV joints and engine.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Sudhir Desai
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:31 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: (rear) cv joint
> >
> > When I was at skip barber, we rebuilt the cv's in all the cars at
> > regular intervals as they were rotated in and out of service. What I
> > remember most was the scrap pile that contained mountains of junk cv's
> > that had very little wrong with them whatsoever (the small grooves you
> > mentioned would have been cause to junk the entire assembly). That's
> > on heavy usage racecars, so there's not exactly a 1-1 correlation, but
> > I would recommend purchasing a new set of 4 and then getting to know
> > them better by rebuilding them once a year. :D
> >
> > my $.02
> >
> > Sudhir
> >
> > On 3/4/06, Wesley Pegden <wes@cs.uchicago.edu> wrote:
> > > Thanks for all the replies and help!
> > >
> > > Here's the damage report.
> > >
> > > I have all joints out and pretty well cleaned up. None of them are
> > > perfect: two of them have shallow grooves in the outer ring, but no
> > > pitting. Is this cause for replacement? (If so, I need to replace
> > all
> > > 4). The joints weren't making noise while on the car, and off the
> car
> > > in my hand, they felt good and smooth. The grooves average perhaps
> > 1cm
> > > long and 1mm wide, and they're not very deep... some are easier to
> see
> > > than to feel, and some are easier to feel than to see. But then
> > again,
> > > some tracks on the outer piece have 2 or 3 of these (usually in
> > parallel).
> > >
> > > One of the joints has a ball with a little nick on one of the balls,
> > and
> > > a little bit of pitting in some of the tracks of the outer ring (in
> > > addition to the grooves)---I guess I'm thinking I need to replace
> this
> > one.
> > >
> > > Finally, the last one has slight pitting on several of the balls,
> some
> > > wider grooves on the outer piece (one almost a cm wide), and
> > significant
> > > pitting in one of the tracks on the inner piece. I guess I'm
> thinking
> > I
> > > need to replace this one.
> > >
> > > So, I guess my question is... am I right that I'm best off replacing
> > > these two, and is it unwise to keep the other two, whose problems
> are
> > > mainly grooves?
> > >
> > > Thanks very much,
> > > Wes
> > >
> > > .John Rodgers wrote:
> > > > Nope! Wear rates are diferent in each CV and that wear changes
> the
> > > > specs. our fits and clearances in the mixed parts would be all out
> > of
> > > > whack. The mixed-and-matched CV assembly wouldn't hold up very
> long
> > > > and there would be ve\irtually no reliability. The thing would
> > > > probably come apart and leave you stranded halfway between
> Somewhere
> > > > and Nowhere, USA.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > John Rodgers
> > > > 88 GL Driver x2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wesley Pegden wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I think everything I've read has been pretty clear about this,
> but
> > I
> > > >> just want to check... I can't mix and match pieces from two of my
> > > >> (original lobro) joints to get one good joint, right? The
> stamping
> > on
> > > >> both joints is the same:
> > > >> VW [logo] 211 501 331 B
> > > >> LOBRO 49/83 W/GERMANY % N
> > > >>
> > > >> (The percent sign is a diamond with a W in it).
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks very much,
> > > >> Wes
> > > >>
> > > >> Wesley Pegden wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Let me rephrase that... does a nick in one of the balls mean
> that
> > > >>> JOINT needs to be replaced?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -Wes
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Wesley Pegden wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Does a nick in one of the balls mean a new bearing is
> required??
> > > >>>> Thanks...
> > > >>>> -Wes
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sam Walters wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> For excellent instructions on CV removal, cleaning and
> > reassembly,
> > > >>>>> and
> > > >>>>> installation, check these two links. The second expands on
> the
> > > >>>>> first.
> > > >>>>> Pictures and explanation of how to know you reassembled them
> > > >>>>> correctly.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> http://volksweb.relitech.com/cvjoints.htm Tom Carrington's
> > web
> > > >>>>> site
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> and Ben Huot's additions to this at
> > > >>>>> http://www.benplace.com/cv_joint_maintenance.htm
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> Sam Walters
> > > >>>>> Baltimore, MD
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