Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:42:47 -0800
Reply-To: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Diesel Subaru Conversions
In-Reply-To: <4658DED1-3927-412A-92E5-2EAF1A3D98EA@riverclan.org>
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It's funny this Friday how engine conversion
threads always tend to deteriorate into political
arguments, usually a left viewpoint.
The marvel is long lost on the world how a horse
carriage can run on it's own power without a
horse or donkey pulling it.
If there had been emissions testing in the days
of the horse buggies the testing categories would
be:
BO (body odor)
BO2 (sweat)
Ma (manure)
(Pe)(Number one)
and
Fa (flatulence).
Talk about your greenhouse gasses!
If we were to go back to the days of the horse
and buggy, the modern enviromentalist would a
pooper scooper.
Robert
1982 Westfalia
--- River Clan <ri@RIVERCLAN.ORG> wrote:
> There is more to running biodiesel than cost.
> People don't put in
> diesels to run petroleum, at least not
> many.....
>
> See, in America, we don't pay "True Costs".
> Instead, it is subsidized
> by occupation, strong arming, slave labor in
> 3rd world countries,
> etc. All so we can have a better standard of
> living. Just like when
> we lived in Rome.
>
> Some of us ideological people look further than
> just the $$, and
> think about the implications to not only the
> world, but to our soul
> for being on this slippery slope of riding on
> others backs.
>
> Save a buck at Walmart, and cause that laborer
> in China to work in
> conditions that we wouldn't ask of our pets.
>
> Fuel is the same. How many Iraqis & Marines
> lives are in each tank of
> gas across america?
>
> Numbers rule! Now add all the costs that were
> forgotten, or hidden by
> subsidized war for oil.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Ri
> http://www.greaseworks.org
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:32 AM, Pensioner wrote:
>
> > Musing over conversions, one of my many
> talents, brings me to
> > consider the
> > cost-benefit scenarios. Let's postulate that
> we drive 10000 miles
> > per year
> > just to use easy numbers. Discounting the
> normal maintenance for
> > both a
> > converted vanagon and a non-converted
> vanagon, the costs of
> > conversion seem
> > to range from ~$14000 (not a misprint) in my
> case to perhaps $3000
> > for an
> > average of $5000 (high but we have to start
> somewhere).
> >
> > If fuel costs over time are the principal
> reason for going to
> > diesel (not
> > fuel availability, or the desire to side with
> Willie on the BioDiesel
> > concert) then it makes sense to look at the
> fuel savings one would
> > enjoy
> > over that 10000 miles per year. Diesel
> currently costs about %10
> > more than
> > 87 Octane and is likely to stay that way.
> For $2.50/gallon 87
> > octane let's
> > say and vanagon average fuel efficiency of 17
> miles per gallon.
> > The gallons
> > per year is easily found to be ~588 gallons
> times $2.50 gives $1470
> > per year
> > fuel cost before conversion. If you go with
> diesel the fuel
> > consumption
> > will probably be on the order of 25 miles per
> gallon. For the same
> > 10000
> > miles per year you'll pay $1100 in fuel costs
> including the %10
> > higher price
> > for diesel. You will get additional range
> between fuel stops but
> > you'll
> > need it as not all fuel services feature
> diesel.
> >
> > In summary you'll save $370 per year in fuel
> costs for 10000 miles
> > per year.
> > How many years to break even on the
> installation is left as an
> > excercise for
> > the reader.
> >
> > Seems to be over ten years if your previously
> owned motor lasts
> > that long.
> > FTSOE let's say it does. You will have saved
> $3700 towards the motor
> > replacement.
> >
> > The above example is to be considered a
> conservative estimate
> > process, your
> > mileage, tolerance, costs, will no doubt be
> different.
> >
> > "If a man professes knowledge but cannot
> express that knowledge in
> > numbers,
> > then that knowledge is of a meagre and
> insufficient kind" -- Lord
> > Kelvin
> >
> > Numbers rule!
> >
>
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