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Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:24:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Tom Sinclair <neeemo@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Tom Sinclair <neeemo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Diesel Subaru Conversions
In-Reply-To:  <20060310214247.78702.qmail@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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True. Without them of course, everyone would be knee deep in sh*t.

--- Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM> wrote: > > If we were to go back to the days of the horse > and buggy, the modern enviromentalist would a > pooper scooper. > > Robert > > 1982 Westfalia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- River Clan <ri@RIVERCLAN.ORG> wrote: > > > There is more to running biodiesel than cost. > > People don't put in > > diesels to run petroleum, at least not > > many..... > > > > See, in America, we don't pay "True Costs". > > Instead, it is subsidized > > by occupation, strong arming, slave labor in > > 3rd world countries, > > etc. All so we can have a better standard of > > living. Just like when > > we lived in Rome. > > > > Some of us ideological people look further than > > just the $$, and > > think about the implications to not only the > > world, but to our soul > > for being on this slippery slope of riding on > > others backs. > > > > Save a buck at Walmart, and cause that laborer > > in China to work in > > conditions that we wouldn't ask of our pets. > > > > Fuel is the same. How many Iraqis & Marines > > lives are in each tank of > > gas across america? > > > > Numbers rule! Now add all the costs that were > > forgotten, or hidden by > > subsidized war for oil. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Ri > > http://www.greaseworks.org > > > > > > On Mar 10, 2006, at 7:32 AM, Pensioner wrote: > > > > > Musing over conversions, one of my many > > talents, brings me to > > > consider the > > > cost-benefit scenarios. Let's postulate that > > we drive 10000 miles > > > per year > > > just to use easy numbers. Discounting the > > normal maintenance for > > > both a > > > converted vanagon and a non-converted > > vanagon, the costs of > > > conversion seem > > > to range from ~$14000 (not a misprint) in my > > case to perhaps $3000 > > > for an > > > average of $5000 (high but we have to start > > somewhere). > > > > > > If fuel costs over time are the principal > > reason for going to > > > diesel (not > > > fuel availability, or the desire to side with > > Willie on the BioDiesel > > > concert) then it makes sense to look at the > > fuel savings one would > > > enjoy > > > over that 10000 miles per year. Diesel > > currently costs about %10 > > > more than > > > 87 Octane and is likely to stay that way. > > For $2.50/gallon 87 > > > octane let's > > > say and vanagon average fuel efficiency of 17 > > miles per gallon. > > > The gallons > > > per year is easily found to be ~588 gallons > > times $2.50 gives $1470 > > > per year > > > fuel cost before conversion. If you go with > > diesel the fuel > > > consumption > > > will probably be on the order of 25 miles per > > gallon. For the same > > > 10000 > > > miles per year you'll pay $1100 in fuel costs > > including the %10 > > > higher price > > > for diesel. You will get additional range > > between fuel stops but > > > you'll > > > need it as not all fuel services feature > > diesel. > > > > > > In summary you'll save $370 per year in fuel > > costs for 10000 miles > > > per year. > > > How many years to break even on the > > installation is left as an > > > excercise for > > > the reader. > > > > > > Seems to be over ten years if your previously > > owned motor lasts > > > that long. > > > FTSOE let's say it does. You will have saved > > $3700 towards the motor > > > replacement. > > > > > > The above example is to be considered a > > conservative estimate > > > process, your > > > mileage, tolerance, costs, will no doubt be > > different. > > > > > > "If a man professes knowledge but cannot > > express that knowledge in > > > numbers, > > > then that knowledge is of a meagre and > > insufficient kind" -- Lord > > > Kelvin > > > > > > Numbers rule! > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

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