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Date:         Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:25:00 -0800
Reply-To:     Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: MPG Question
Comments: To: feller@carboncow.com
In-Reply-To:  <200604011920404.SM01264@main>
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I'm cranky because I got called a liar by one guy and an imbecile by another. I don't react well to that.

You didn't say " Really Jake? Are you sure? " You compared me to a liar, and then Drillock implied that I wasn't smart enough to calculate mileage and was a dangerous driver! You would react badly too!

Ask about my background, Google me, run a check on my licence, ask me about my volunteer work, but don't just reject my knowledge because it is different from yours. I didn't even know that my experience wasn't the same, but it is my experience.

One of my first posts on this lists was regarding the 4.57 R & P in my 84, and Mr Drillock's reply was most emphatic- there is no such thing. I could have said that I didn't want to call him a liar but, but I didn't. My 84 has a much taller rear end ratio than my 86. That's a fact. I'm sure that someday I'll pull the box and rebuild it, and then I'll send Mr Drillock a photo that he might accept as proof.

Until then I'll think of him as knowledgeable but arrogant, something I have been accused of in the past. When I was 35 I was probably insufferable too, but at 50 I realise that I don't know everything.

Seeya,

On 4/1/06, robert shawn feller <feller@carboncow.com> wrote: > > I have always enjoyed your posts and knowledge so I'm rather dismayed how > cranky you are on this topic. Why my inquiry really that offensive as I nor > others don't see it. > > > > Shawn > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Jake de Villiers [mailto:crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2006 7:01 PM > *To:* feller@carboncow.com > *Cc:* vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com > *Subject:* Re: MPG Question > > > > I hate to call someone a moron, but I am too am skeptical. Why don't you > read my initial post on the subject again Feller. If you got the number of > Vanagons wrong, maybe you got the rest of what I said wrong too! > > On 3/31/06, *robert shawn feller* <feller@carboncow.com> wrote: > > Wow far too defensive, I specifically said I don't want to call someone a > liar due to my skepticism. Sorry to offend my disclaimer was intentional. > > How do you get three vans to do so well when 90% of us would agree that > 16-17mpg is our best average experience? I'm quite sure with the > engineering > experience you have in the family you are far more knowledgeable then me > (and I'm not be facetious) that is why I stated I would love to know what > I'm doing so wrong! > > I think we would all love to know better driving techniques that get us > 30% > more miles per gallon, just not me! I'd love to improve as I already think > my habits are better then average. With current gas prices it all helps. > > Shawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Jake de Villiers > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:15 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: MPG Question > > Go ahead and call me a liar if you want to feller! Just because YOU can't > do > something, I can't either ? I'd bet there are a bunch of things that I can > > do that you can't, and a bunch of things that YOU can do that I can't! > Just > because I can't weld for beans doesn't mean that I don't believe that > someone else can. > > I've been driving for 35 years and learned how to calculate mileage from > my > engineer grandfather at age 5. He also taught me how to get great mileage. > This was in the heyday of the Mobil Economy Run, when many folks were more > interested in efficiency than power, and the same techniques still apply. > On road trips as a younger man I would always get better mileage on my > driving stints than my co-drivers, though we didn't always make the best > time when I was driving! > > If you want to know how it is done, send me an email. > > Seeya, Jake > > On 3/31/06, robert shawn feller <feller@carboncow.com> wrote: > > > > I hate to call anyone a liar but I'm so skeptical! > > > > I've been driving Saabs, Volvo and Vw for 10 years. Every bulletin board > > > I'm > > on there is a certain percentage of members who post very impressive MPG > > numbers. I am an enthusiast which means I keep my cars in great > mechanical > > shape, I drive conservatively (my wife will tell you) and I live Ohio > with > > moderate hill at best and I'm 80% on the freeway. I never come close to > > these guys who IMHO are off the charts with their numbers (not off their > > rocker). I often wonder if they are doing calculations wrong, or if I'm > > doing them wrong of something else. > > > > I'm fascinated by guys claiming numbers (especially on three vans?) that > > are > > way over what the federal sticker has on them when new (and it great > > running > > shape). We all know that federal sticker MPG are rated high then real > > world > > numbers often. > > > > I'm most amazed with my fellow Saab owners driving turbos claiming close > > to > > 38mpg on the 9000 Turbo with a 200hp engine. My onboard computers and > > calculations tell me I'm lucky to get 26mpg and some are claiming 35% > > bette > > fuel econmoney! > > > > Everything must be downhill in some of these states and they drive > 55mph. > > > > Shawn > > Ohio > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf > Of > > Anthony Egeln > > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:31 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: MPG Question > > > > Wow! Is that with a 2.1L wasserboxer? That is way, way high. Do you > > have > > some secret? I've been very satisfied with my Syncro GL consistently > > 18-19 > > (US) city and 21 highway. Are you in Canada? If so, maybe you have > much > > better gas there. Anthony > > '89 Syncro GL (Hidalgo) > > > > Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM> wrote: Our 86 gets only > > 28 > > mpg HWY (24 US) but our 84 GL with the 4.57 gears still gets over 30 (26 > > US), both at 55-60 mph. The GL gets 26 (22 US) around town, stuffed > with > > tools and materials for work. > > > > On 3/31/06, chris wrote: > > > > > > in my 81 aircooled van, if I run at only 55mph and don't have to do > > > too much climbing, I'll pull around 20-22 MPG. > > > > > > That having been said, I live in Northern California with nothing but > > > climbing to do, so my usual MPG is closer to 17 average. > > > > > > The PO had electronic ignition which may have helped, but im back to > > > the points setup now for ease of repair when travelling. (the unit was > > > really old and hard to get setup properly.) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jake > > 1984 Vanagon GL > > 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie" > > www.crescentbeachguitar.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and > save > > big. > > > > > > -- > Jake > 1984 Vanagon GL > 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie" > www.crescentbeachguitar.com > > > > > -- > Jake > 1984 Vanagon GL > 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie" > www.crescentbeachguitar.com >

-- Jake 1984 Vanagon GL 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie" www.crescentbeachguitar.com


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