Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:42:13 -0700
Reply-To: Pensioner <al_knoll@PACBELL.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Pensioner <al_knoll@PACBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: redline (not the oil)
In-Reply-To: <200604110354.k3B3s2Hm003259@flpvm06.prodigy.net>
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My engine has a rev limiter at 6500. Loves to go to 5000. Torque PEAK is
~4500. But hey it's not a wasserleaker....You gotta love that 180+lbs-ft
from 2000 to 6000. Who needs four gears? Torque peak in 3d is 75mph. Who
needs more than that in a 5000 lb brick. With these enviable
characteristics, the 0.77 top is an overdrive. 2d is in town, 3d is good to
75mph on the superslab and 4th is economy overdrive. Any Subaru dealer
carries parts for the motor.
Four cam, 3.3l, 240HP, 235lbs-ft torque, non interference, 7 main bearings,
real time knock sensor timing compensation, MAF fuel control...the list goes
on and on.
Dump that antiquated hermaphroditic malignancy 2.1 leaker and get a real
motor, modern design, excellent engine management system, fine performance
(ovelooking the installers frailties and poor workmanship) runs cleaner at
100K than the 2.1 on day 1. My good volks, all those vanagone motahs are
doddering old ladies with very little left to give let them retire with
dignity rather than in a clanking squeal of destruction. 1990 was sixteen
years ago....even the newest are ancient now. Postpone entropy, upgrade
now, many to choose from, 1.9TD, 2.5tdi, ej22, ej25, ej33, even detlev the
theif tries to sell you an AUDI CIS 2.2 crapper for 10000USD that's better
than what you have. Your powerplant is an antiquated collectors item
project ride forever in need of high maintenance with a diminishing number
of suppliers and no future. If it wasn't for Ron, John 3:16, and Jeff and
others you couldn't even find replacement parts. Without Leon, Seth,
Beetsport, Karl there would be very damn little support. If you like this
kind of self flagellation buy a 1950 Crosley or a corvair turbo corsa or
1981 UrQ WR or a GM Motorhome. Fulfill your wildest dreams of no parts, no
support, only an aging group of enthusiasts fading into the sunset trying
desperately to keep their dream on the road.
Even the ej22 is FAR better than anything you can turn that engineering
disaster of a wasserleaker into.... ratio rockers, boring stroking praying.
Simply a bad design followed by more bad designs (eurovan weinerbagel,
toureg, phaeton, new microbus never to live... VW is sinking fast, get out
while you can, most 'technicians' at Dub dealerships have never seen a
vanagon. Donning my Nomex, I remain from a fur lined rut off a scenic
information byway, yr lyl obd svt,
Pensioner (syncro westy SVX #2) 207Kmi and hangin in there tooth and claw
and much welded exhaust
laissez les bonne tours roulet
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:50:33 -0400
From: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: redline (not the oil)
Since the engine runs at 4,000 rpm or over in 4th gear, why do you feel
that you need to shift out of third at 3,000 rpm? You are doing engine
damage from lugging. This is the best way to destroy main and rod
bearings. The Vanagon engine is an under square engine. That is, the
stroke is less than the bore. As such, for its size, it is not a torque
producer. Power is developed at speed. When accelerating quickly, I
up-shift as the acceleration is dropping off. This is usually about
4,200 to 4,400 rpm. When taking hills, if needed I will hold ~ 4,500
rpm, backing off the gas if up shifting will then cause me to loose
speed. Going above that for short spurts is OK but extended open
throttle high speed operation will quickly heat the oil and as the
torque drops off, there is not much benefit.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
Of chris
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:12 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: redline (not the oil)
How high do you guys usually allow your motors to rev when trying to
pull up in 3rd and get going fast enough to continue on into 4th gear?
From listening to the motor, I try to always keep it under 3k if I can,
but when fully loaded and on a trip (going uphills/etc) I find myself
often pushing the 4k mark.
At what point are you going too high and doing damage?
Thanks,
chris
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