Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:38:57 -0700
Reply-To: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: redline (not the oil)
In-Reply-To: <NJBBKKMHILNJILNDDGJGAELICCAA.al_knoll@pacbell.net>
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Great post Al!
On 4/10/06, Pensioner <al_knoll@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> My engine has a rev limiter at 6500. Loves to go to 5000. Torque PEAK is
> ~4500. But hey it's not a wasserleaker....You gotta love that 180+lbs-ft
> from 2000 to 6000. Who needs four gears? Torque peak in 3d is
> 75mph. Who
> needs more than that in a 5000 lb brick. With these enviable
> characteristics, the 0.77 top is an overdrive. 2d is in town, 3d is good
> to
> 75mph on the superslab and 4th is economy overdrive. Any Subaru dealer
> carries parts for the motor.
>
> Four cam, 3.3l, 240HP, 235lbs-ft torque, non interference, 7 main
> bearings,
> real time knock sensor timing compensation, MAF fuel control...the list
> goes
> on and on.
>
> Dump that antiquated hermaphroditic malignancy 2.1 leaker and get a real
> motor, modern design, excellent engine management system, fine
> performance
> (ovelooking the installers frailties and poor workmanship) runs cleaner at
> 100K than the 2.1 on day 1. My good volks, all those vanagone motahs are
> doddering old ladies with very little left to give let them retire with
> dignity rather than in a clanking squeal of destruction. 1990 was sixteen
> years ago....even the newest are ancient now. Postpone entropy, upgrade
> now, many to choose from, 1.9TD, 2.5tdi, ej22, ej25, ej33, even detlev the
> theif tries to sell you an AUDI CIS 2.2 crapper for 10000USD that's better
> than what you have. Your powerplant is an antiquated collectors item
> project ride forever in need of high maintenance with a diminishing number
> of suppliers and no future. If it wasn't for Ron, John 3:16, and Jeff and
> others you couldn't even find replacement parts. Without Leon, Seth,
> Beetsport, Karl there would be very damn little support. If you like this
> kind of self flagellation buy a 1950 Crosley or a corvair turbo corsa or
> 1981 UrQ WR or a GM Motorhome. Fulfill your wildest dreams of no parts,
> no
> support, only an aging group of enthusiasts fading into the sunset trying
> desperately to keep their dream on the road.
>
> Even the ej22 is FAR better than anything you can turn that engineering
> disaster of a wasserleaker into.... ratio rockers, boring stroking
> praying.
> Simply a bad design followed by more bad designs (eurovan weinerbagel,
> toureg, phaeton, new microbus never to live... VW is sinking fast, get
> out
> while you can, most 'technicians' at Dub dealerships have never seen a
> vanagon. Donning my Nomex, I remain from a fur lined rut off a scenic
> information byway, yr lyl obd svt,
>
> Pensioner (syncro westy SVX #2) 207Kmi and hangin in there tooth and claw
> and much welded exhaust
>
> laissez les bonne tours roulet
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:50:33 -0400
> From: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
> Subject: Re: redline (not the oil)
>
> Since the engine runs at 4,000 rpm or over in 4th gear, why do you feel
> that you need to shift out of third at 3,000 rpm? You are doing engine
> damage from lugging. This is the best way to destroy main and rod
> bearings. The Vanagon engine is an under square engine. That is, the
> stroke is less than the bore. As such, for its size, it is not a torque
> producer. Power is developed at speed. When accelerating quickly, I
> up-shift as the acceleration is dropping off. This is usually about
> 4,200 to 4,400 rpm. When taking hills, if needed I will hold ~ 4,500
> rpm, backing off the gas if up shifting will then cause me to loose
> speed. Going above that for short spurts is OK but extended open
> throttle high speed operation will quickly heat the oil and as the
> torque drops off, there is not much benefit.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of chris
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 6:12 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: redline (not the oil)
>
> How high do you guys usually allow your motors to rev when trying to
> pull up in 3rd and get going fast enough to continue on into 4th gear?
>
> From listening to the motor, I try to always keep it under 3k if I can,
> but when fully loaded and on a trip (going uphills/etc) I find myself
> often pushing the 4k mark.
>
> At what point are you going too high and doing damage?
>
> Thanks,
> chris
>
--
Jake
1984 Vanagon GL
1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
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