Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 07:22:46 -0400
Reply-To: David Gunning <davidgunning@PIVOT.NET>
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From: David Gunning <davidgunning@PIVOT.NET>
Subject: Re: Seized Engine?
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Seems to me you are nailing all the right issues, Howard. Unless there was
some other post by MM that I haven't read yet, either, Zoltan's response
impresses me as awfully dang mean-spirited. Where's the beef, Zoltan?
While it may be true that my rapid response to MM's "Seized Engine" post may
have been of little actual value to MM, Zoltan's rabid response to the same
MM post has absolutely no value to anyone.
Or was there something I've missed?
THIS SITE ROCKS because of the quality of it's membership and their general
willingness to suspend their own personal agendas to lend a helping insight
to each other when the need arises.
I hope MM gets back to the list with a progress report and that others on
the list will chime in with additional suggestions or comments to help MM
work with the issues involved. Otherwise, what's the point to it all?
End of soapbox.
Dave
davidgunning@pivot.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raceingcajun" <raceingcajun47@BELLSOUTH.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: Seized Engine?
> Did I miss some MM's earlier posts on this? I only seen one where MM
> ask
> for help.
> QUOTE: (Hi all, I need the lists'expertise on this:)
>
> If that was his only post, I think your a little quick on the harsh
> Zoltan!
>
> All I see is a request for help in a diagnosis, no slander of anyone's
> manhood. No bad mouthing of Boston Bob. As you say; no "stupid female
> behavior".
> On the other hand, I do see some "Stupid Male" gender bashing insults
> to
> women in general, and a rather heated tongue lashing of MM who only needed
> help.
> I have never spoke to Boston Bob, but I'll bet he will agree that MM
> should get some help and find out what the problem is. And then give him a
> call if it happens to be a warranty item. Like all shops Bob's lives or
> dies
> on its reputation. So he is going to be the first one who wants to know.
> Anyway Zoltan, isn't the point of this list to help each other promote
> the hobby of Volkswagen ownership, and the restoration of same? Not to
> bash
> ethnic groups, genders, owners of other makes or models, engine building
> auto repair shop owners. Not to mention owners who come in peace asking
> for
> help. Don't worry, if Boston Bob feels insulted, he will stand up and be
> heard, he doesn't need help!
> I stand ready to be corrected if I'm wrong, or if I missed a post.
>
> I'll step over the line. MM, I'll help, contact me off list.
>
> Howard
>
>
> Subject: Re: Seized Engine?
>
>>Zoltan wrote<
>
>> Listen, you MM,
>> First go and settle with the maker and only when you done your best with
> him
>> come to us. Don't try to blame him for something he did not do. And
>> even
>> if he is at fault, it is not for us to know when he is ready to deal with
>> it. Only stupid females behave like this. Be a man and deal with it the
>> right way. Come to us when you went the extra mile too.
>> Man don't complain first.
>> Call Bob and deal with him straight and don't dig yourself under here
>> with
> a
>> message like this.
>> There is no one else for you who can help you best other than Boston Bob.
>> Just don't step over the line of decency.
>> Live and learn.
>> Zoltan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "MM" <marknyc28@YAHOO.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 7:58 AM
>> Subject: Seized Engine?
>>
>>
>> > Hi all, I need the lists'expertise on this:
>> >
>> > 1985 Westy 4 speed.
>> > rebuilt Boston Bob Engine 8,000 miles on it.
>> >
>> > The engine quit on my one day pulling out of a parking
>> > spot in my neighborhood. After it quit i tried to
>> > restart, but the starter wouldn't turn over the
>> > engine.
>> > I thought since it had been sitting the battery was
>> > discharged, so i rolled it back into its parking
>> > spot,where it sat for another month.
>> > After charging the battery, and still no turn-over, i
>> > suspected the starter.
>> > I had other suspicions so i pulled the plugs, and
>> > tried to turn the pulley by hand to no avail. I did
>> > manage to turn the water pump pulley and the
>> > alternator pulley by hand by slacking the belt.
>> > I cleaned all my contacts to the starter and the
>> > ground strap still no turn over.
>> > Finally this morning, i bought a tow rope borrowed a
>> > friend and his truck to tow the westy out of its spot
>> > and down the road. I then tried to pop the clutch to
>> > get it started, but the wheels would just drag down
>> > the street!
>> > Is this engine toast???!!! I have faithfully changed
>> > the oil every 2000 miles..
>> > What could have mechanically failed that is holding
>> > the engine from turning?? I know the engine hasn't
>> > turned more than a quarter turn by the red timing
>> > marks still on the pulley. HELP....
>> > I just cant believe that these engines are SO
>> > fragile.Especially since i installed this one myself..
>> > Any help would be appreciated.
>> >
>> >
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