Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:52:36 -0500
Reply-To: Larry Alofs <lalofs@RCN.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Larry Alofs <lalofs@RCN.COM>
Subject: Re: Am I getting through to the list?
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I've been getting these too, but I didn't realize that they may be
triggered by my posts.
I assumed that they resulted from someone else on the list sending
something to the wrong list address and that the server was for some
reason sending its responses to everyone instead of just the sender.
Larry A.
Andrew Grebneff wrote:
> Every time I send a message since a couple of weeks or so ago, I get
> a response as below, and have no idea whether my postings are making
> it...
>
>> X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:24:10 -0400
>> Reply-To: "L-Soft list server at Vanagon List (1.8d)"
>> <LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> From: "L-Soft list server at Vanagon List (1.8d)"
>> <LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Subject: [VANAGON] Your message to
>> vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296, Antispam-Engine: 2.3.0.1,
>> Antispam-Data: 2006.6.16.151433
>> X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__HAS_MSGID 0,
>> __LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __SANE_MSGID 0'
>>
>> Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:24:10
>>
>> Your message to vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM has been
>> forwarded to
>> the "list owners" (the people who manage the vanagon list). If you
>> wanted
>> to reach a human being, you used the correct procedure and you can
>> ignore
>> the remainder of this message. If you were trying to send a command
>> for
>> the computer to execute, please read on.
>>
>> The vanagon list is managed by a ListServ server. ListServ
>> commands
>> should always be sent to the "ListServ"
>> address, ie
>> LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. ListServ never tries to process messages
>> sent
>> to the vanagon-request address; it simply forwards them to a human
>> being,
>> and acknowledges receipt with the present message.
>>
>> The "listname-request" convention originated on the Internet a long
>> time
>> ago. At the time, lists were always managed manually, and this
>> address
>> was defined as an alias for the person(s) in charge of the mailing
>> list.
>> You would write to the "listname-request" address to ask for
>> information
>> about the list, ask to be added to the list, make suggestions about
>> the
>> contents and policy, etc. Because this address was always a human
>> being,
>> people knew and expected to be talking to a human being, not
>> to a
>> computer. Unfortunately, some recent list management packages
>> screen
>> incoming messages to the "listname-request" address and
>> attempt to
>> determine whether they are requests to join or leave the list. They
>> look
>> for words such as "subscribe", "add", "leave", "off", and so on. If
>> they
>> decide your message is a request to join or leave the list, they
>> update
>> the list automatically; otherwise, they forward the message to the
>> list
>> owners. Naturally, this means that if you write to the list owners
>> about
>> someone else's unsuccessful attempts to leave the list, you stand
>> good
>> chances of being automatically removed from the list, whereas the
>> list
>> owners will never receive your message. No one really benefits from
>> this.
>> There is no reliable mechanism to contact a human being for
>> assistance,
>> and you can never be sure whether your request will be interpreted
>> as a
>> command or as a message to the list owners. This is why ListServ uses
>> two
>> separate addresses, one for the people in charge of the list and one
>> for
>> the computer that runs it. This way you always know what will
>> happen,
>> especially if you are writing in a language other than English.
>>
>> In any case, if your message was a ListServ command, you should
>> now
>> resend it to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. The list owners know that
>> you
>> have received this message and may assume that you will resend
>> the
>> command on your own. You will find instructions for the most
>> common
>> administrative requests below.
>>
>> +---------------------+
>> | TO LEAVE THE LIST |
>> +---------------------+
>>
>> Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message
>> (not
>> the subject line), write: SIGNOFF vanagon
>>
>> +--------------------+
>> | TO JOIN THE LIST |
>> +--------------------+
>>
>> Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message
>> (not
>> the subject line), write: SUBSCRIBE vanagon
>>
>> +------------------------+
>> | FOR MORE INFORMATION |
>> +------------------------+
>>
>> Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message
>> (not
>> the subject line), write: "HELP" or "INFO" (without the quotes).
>> HELP
>> will give you a short help message and INFO a list of the documents
>> you
>> can order.
>
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