Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:51:51 -0700
Reply-To: Tom Forhan <fourwdvw@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Tom Forhan <fourwdvw@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: [Syncro] Subject: getting cooler air to the front in a Westy
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Sean,
Joel Cort has a really nice page showing the box, how
it goes together and the related section of the
dashboard so you can see the vent inlets I am talking
about.
http://www.knology.net/~vw/vanagon/dash/
--- Sean Garrett <SEAN.GARRETT@asu.edu> wrote:
> Hmmmm they have complete kits for bugs and Ghias. I
> wonder how close
> they are too a Vanagon ?
>
> I should go to a yard and get an air box for a
> Vanagon so I have
> something to work with.
>
> Sean Garrett
> University Technology Office
> EIDS-SNM Windows
> (480) 965-5675
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Forhan [mailto:fourwdvw@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:17 AM
> To: Sean Garrett; vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro] Subject: getting cooler air to
> the front in a
> Westy
>
> Check out http://www.hotrodair.com and
> http://www.vintageair.com - and spend a little time
> with their catalogs. I think its hotrodair that
> offers
> the dual function units.
>
> The trick here is that what they call an evaporator
> is
> the entire unit, with heat exchanger, plastic shell,
> vent outlets, fan, etc.
>
> What I am calling an evaporator is just the actual
> heat exchanger , to be worked into the front of a
> vanagon so that we could use the existing airbox
> with
> its vent network with related controls and fan.
>
> Last time I looked through those catalogs they don't
> offer the heat exchanger alone, though I guess you
> could call them up and talk about 'em.
>
> Anyway, thats my idea.
>
> --- Sean Garrett <SEAN.GARRETT@asu.edu> wrote:
>
> > HI tom, I might be up to the task in Arizona !!!
> >
> > What do you mean by Hot Rod AC places ???
> >
> > Do you just mean any strictly AC shop that sells
> > evaporators ???
> >
> > Sean Garrett
> > Central AZ
> > 1987 Syncro, 2.5 Subaru (his)
> > 1995 EVC (hers)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Syncro@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Tom Forhan
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:26 AM
> > To: Keith Ovregaard; vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com;
> > syncro@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro] Subject: getting cooler air to
> the
> > front in a Westy
> >
> > I think aq retrofitted front evaporator is the
> > really
> > interesting idea. If it could work you could also
> > have
> > dehumidfied air for defrost and the upper vents
> > along
> > the sides of the Westies as well.
> >
> > If you have ever had your heater box out, you've
> > seen
> > that there is some space within the body just
> before
> > air goes into the box. Could an evaporator be fit
> in
> > there?
> >
> > Also, the hot rod airconditioning places offer
> > complete units with a dual use evaporator/ heater
> > core. If such a core could be used to replace the
> > core
> > in the heater box you also could have all the
> > advantages of running chilled air through the
> heater
> > box.
> >
> > Anybody know about these possibilities?
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > --- Keith Ovregaard <kovregaard@COMCAST.NET>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On the subject of those side vents, I noticed
> the
> > > other day that both
> > > of them on my Westy are non-functional due to
> what
> > > appears to be
> > > factory-made foam rubber plugs on either side of
> > > each vent. That seems
> > > pretty weird considering that those vents worked
> > > fine on my 84 Westy. I
> > > know there were ventilation changes made to
> later
> > > models, but why would
> > > they have decided to render the vents useless
> and
> > > still go to the
> > > trouble/expense to install them?
> > >
> > > By the way, after several hot days here, my AC
> > > system is working quite
> > > well with the Maxifrig 12 refrigerant. Much
> colder
> > > than the 134a
> > > retrofit that I did to the 84 Westy. And about a
> > > heck of a lot cheaper,
> > > too! Of course I provided the labor this time. I
> > > figure the cost was
> > > about $100 for the retrofit kit, drier/receiver,
> > and
> > > enough Maxifrig to
> > > charge the system (about 4.5 cans). I am
> > embarrassed
> > > to admit to have
> > > spent well over $1000 last time around for the
> > same
> > > job. Only
> > > difference was that I had to replace the old
> > > compressor on the 84, so I
> > > took a chance and bought one on ebay which
> lasted
> > > for about 10 minutes
> > > before it seized up and cooked the AC belt!
> > Another
> > > compressor,
> > > recharge the system and it was fixed, but in
> > > hindsight, I would have
> > > ripped the SOB out of the van and tossed out the
> > > head-bonking, rear
> > > view-blocking, crappy excuse for an AC system!
> > > That's one thing VW
> > > really messed up when they designed the Vanagon.
> > So
> > > who would like to
> > > take on the re-design of the AC? How about a
> front
> > > evaporator? Wow,
> > > what a concept! Sorry for crabbing, just
> > "venting"!
> > > No pun intended...
> > >
> > > Keith O.
> > > 90 Westy Syncro
> > >
> > > On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:00 PM, Automatic digest
> > > processor wrote:
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:41:09 -0700
> > > > From: Clint Kolda <clint_kolda@YAHOO.COM>
> > > > Subject: Re: Subject: getting cooler air to
> the
> > > front in a Westy
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone ever tried plumbing the rear A/C
> vent
> > > into the side vents
> > > > above the sliding door? I would think that
> this
> > > would have been a
> > > > decent alternative to the original design. It
> > > seems that the fan
> > > > would be strong enough to get at least some
> air
> > to
> > > the front. Perhaps
> > > > the system would require an additional fan for
> > > losses.
> > >
> >
> >
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