Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:53:37 -0500
Reply-To: John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
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From: John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: AC Outlet temps ??
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When I first got my 88 GL in '98, the AC was terrific. It was freshly
charged with R12, and while a subjective observation, the air from the
vents felt like it would freeze a halibut. Over time it has finally
given up and I'm getting to overhaul the whole she-bang. But based on my
experience at the time, I plan to go back with R12 if I can get it or
perhaps Freeze12 or Red Tek. I won't go the R134a route at all.
John Rodgers
88 GL Driver
Christopher Gronski wrote:
> Last year a listee posted a query wondering how anyone saw 50 degrees
> at the vents, this was my reply:
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> I spent a bit of time investigating this.
>
> VW changed the AC in our vans around 1986 or 1987. From what I can
> tell '86 2WD do not have the change, but '86 syncros have a partial
> upgrade (fan, condesnor, compressor), '87 and newer had even more
> (this coincided with the switch to the grey interior).
>
> In terms of the condensor, with the '86 syncro they moved from
> 255272413A that has two sections of fins (with none behind the
> separation of lower and upper grilles) to 253260403 that basically
> covers the whole rad.
>
> Compressors were upgraded around '86 as well some got the SD510 and
> some the SD709. Both were an improvement over the SD508. The first
> number refers to pistons, the second to total displacement. In this
> case the SD510 is about 11% more powerful than the SD709 but the SD709
> is aparently much quieter and saps less power (and it is13% more
> powerful than the SD508).
>
> Both are available from Busdepot. I had the more powerful SD510 in my
> syncro but its dead now and in the interest of future availability
> (Sanden is no longer producing the SD510 - pity it is 25% more
> powerful than the SD508 of earlier vans) I will be replacing it with
> an SD709. The procedure is detailed in Bentley 87.16 and requires two
> specialized refrigerant lines: 253260708E and 253260716A and two each
> of these o-rings: 803260749B & 431260749.
>
> Also around '86 fans were also upgraded from 251959455G to the more
> powerful 251959455M.
>
> The '87 and up grey interior vans got the extended AC ducting off the
> rear AC as well as a larger evaporator and more powerful evaporator
> fans.
>
> So, it is possible that the other vanaagon owners who are reporting
> 50F at the vents have newer vans with the VW AC upgrades noted above.
> I was lucky enough to already have the upgraded condensor and fan. I
> am changing out the compressor and plumbing in a BEHR aftermarket AC
> unit that has a second evaporator and fans up front. I am hoping to
> catch a cold this summer...
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> Bottom line: If you aren't seeing the temps you want take a look at
> your compressor and condensor.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 7/5/06, Warren Chapman <vwsyncroguy@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If you have a good functioning AC system, what temperature are you
>> measuring with a thermometer at the AC vents?
>>
>> If replying, please also include what refrigereant you are using?
>> R12, R134A or some other?
>>
>> I'm getting 54-60 degrees with R134A in a dual Westy Rear /Behr Front
>> system. Seems like it should be cooler....like to know what to
>> expect as
>> possible.
>>
>> Warren C.
>>
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