Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:05:06 -0400
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From: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Another Dometic Problem, Archives searched
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At 01:52 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, Ian Allan wrote:
>Yup, I searched the archives;
>
>Recently I removed the fridge to install a new fan and upgrade the
>insulation behind it.
>When I installed the bracket for my fan I turned the unit upside down.
>I had seen this inversion procedure recommended as a "tune up" so had
>no qualms about inverting the devil.
But do make sure that the fan is blowing UP whether the fan motor is
above or below the blade. That could create complications.
No harm inverting the fridge if that's what you mean. In order to
operate it needs to be close to level, have correct heat input,
sufficient ventilation, and high enough concentration of ammonia in
the actual boiler. Running out of level or without enough
ventilation will stop the absorption cycle either mechanically or
thermally and result in too little ammonia in the boiler. Taking the
heat off and waiting ought to cure that after a while as the ammonia
diffuses but it goes faster if you invert the fridge several times to
redistribute the mixture homogeneously - it will then sort itself out
quickly when you fire up. There's a Dometic bulletin in the archive
at <www.rvmobile.com> that addresses this.
>Upon reinstallation the fridge the cooling at first seemed far less
>effective, (a great reward for my efforts) then actually seemed to
>become a heating process.
Cycle stopped, then. If you run that way too long the water also
leaves the boiler which leads to caking of the anticorrosive that's
suspended in the mix (something-chromate, sodium maybe?), or physical
cracking of one of the boiler-related parts. The first is
cumulative, the second catastrophic. See rvmobile website for much info.
> After leaving the fridge on propane overnight
>I noted water condensate on the outside of the vent (actually could see
>some steam)
Artifact... C3H8 + 5O2 --> 3CO2 + 4H2O. Commercial LP isn't pure
propane but you get the idea. Hydrocarbon combustion always has a
lot of water as a product.
> and an interior temp of close to 60F. When I SHUT the
>burner down the interior temperature actually went down about 6F in a
>half hour as if the cooling cycle had started.
Or as if you'd taken away a 650 BTU/hr heat source...or was that
below ambient? Good sign if so.
>The condensate had a
>bitter salty taste.
Artifact. Large bitter dog peed on the vent etc... <g> If the
cooling unit leaks you'll get ammonia stink in the area and/or yellow
powder staining the point of actual leak.
>I am interested in comments but here is my real question. Has anyone
>actually had success "burping" the fridge? If so how? Simply invert?
See above...you're working with water, ammonia, hydrogen and sodium
chromate powder at 350 psi or so. Not very viscous unless the
chromate has weird properties. Pretty sure it doesn't.
>How long? Or rotate through various attitudes in what order and for how
>long. I'd like to hear from members who actually have done this.
>
>I know that there are far more efficient units but I would very much
>like to maintain the propane cooling option and to keep the van
>original.
You can diagnose the unit itself by running it on 110vac. If it
works like that then there is no reason other than the actual fire
for it to not work on gas. The innards have no idea where the heat's
coming from. But it has to be the right amount of heat. Check out
rvmobile, they have a ton of stuff including explanation and picture
of how the cycle works.
d
>Thanks
>Ian
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David Beierl - Providence RI USA -- http://pws.prserv.net/synergy/Vanagon/
'84 Westy "Dutiful Passage," '85 GL "Poor Relation"