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Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:28:44 -0700
Reply-To:     Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: OT: No-training wheels bicycle advice needed - UPDATE for
              anyone interested
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That's cool! I learned to balance on scooters in England. When we moved to the California when I was 6 my father took me to the top of the Presidio in Monterey with an old 20 inch tired Schwinn, put me on it and let me go! The Deep End Method! I didn't do that with my kids.

Yup, its kinda like a (mostly) Men's Group with its own kinky focus!

Seeya, Jake

On 7/13/06, Walker, Phil <> wrote: > > For anyone who is interested, last night I found a local toy store that > had a Kettler Sprint scooter (made in Germany, by the way - just like > the ping pong tables). Like the one here > > Sage was a little tentative at the store but after teetering around on > it for about a minute he was soon paddling all around the store and a > few seconds later he took a couple of long steps and was cruising. We > got it home (as a bit of an early BD present - only an Elmo cake and a > big bottle of bubbles on 8/14) and he immediately was zipping up and > down the sidewalk and in a couple of minutes was going footless for 20 > feet or more. It was really quite amazing to watch. Whenever he got a > little out of control his feet instinctively went down. Only one minor > fall over. He couldn't get enough...we woke up early this morning and > went for a ride. > > Back to last night...My 4 year old neighbor brought out his 12" wheel > bike with training wheels and was cruising around but it became > immediately apparent that the geometry of the two bikes was way > different. Really only the 12" wheels were the same. The training wheel > pedal bike had a much shorter wheelbase and was quite a bit taller. I > wouldn't be surprised if these bikes are really intended to never have > the training wheels removed. Anyway, the kids swapped bikes and the > neighbor kid gave up in just 5 or ten feet b/c it's totally different. > They swapped again a half hour later and he looked a bit more > comfortable so I bet the scooter might just help the neighbor kid nix > his training wheels at some point. > > It was certainly more expensive than I intended, but it's pretty solid > (as expected from European toys) and will likely get used by the little > sister at some point and probably all of the neighbor kids...then it'll > likely be handed down somewhere else. > > Just a bit of information, certainly not trying to fuel the training > wheel/no training wheel debate that hit my mailbox yesterday, just > giving a bit more information. If you start to do more internet > searching for these types of bikes/scooters you'll find at least a 1/2 > dozen or so models made in Europe (and most not exported). The funny > thing was when I called bike shops with high end big bikes and kiddy > bikes (like $200 bucks for a 12" bike) they had NO IDEA what I was > talking about when I asked for bikes with no pedals... > > And if you want to get really the BMW scooter that has > pedals that add-on later. Cool idea, just beyond what I want to spend, > and frankly I'm not interested in my son getting a BMW emblem any time > soon. > > Thanks again for all of the help. I love this group of people. For some > reason I come here for regular questions because the group/community in > general seems to be my idea of the perfect neighborhood. Thanks. > > -Phil > 89 Westy > SLC, UT > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This email message, including any attachments, may contain confidential > and proprietary information for the sole use of the intended recipient. If > you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, > copying or dissemination of this message is strictly prohibited. If you > received this message in error, please notify Brooks Automation, Inc. > immediately by reply email or by calling Brooks US Headquarters at +1 > 978-262-2400. Then delete this message from your system, without making any > copy or distribution. Thank you. >

-- Jake 1984 Vanagon GL 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"

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