Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:06:35 -0600
Reply-To: David Johnson <davidj@ELPASOTEL.NET>
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From: David Johnson <davidj@ELPASOTEL.NET>
Subject: Re: Oil Change Screwup - HELP!
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Thanks for the input. I actually was restless enough I went out and
pulled everything apart again, and looked. I learned two things.
1. There is no way I could have done what I was afraid of doing.
The nut was perhaps a bit over tight, but not enough to put major
torque on the bolt sticking down.
2. I have no oil screen. The screen cover is there, with a stiff
and brittle gasket (so I will replace that) but there is no oil
screen. Just empty space. So, I will probably track a screen down,
even though as you say, the filter will catch the gunk anyway.
Anybody have any thoughts on that?
So, having satisfied my fears there, I went further along my "repair
trail." When I had changed the air filter, I had pulled the main,
keyed electrical connection to the fuel injection control module
(before I realized I didn't have to do that, yes, newbie error). I
went back to that point and looked again, and found one of the pin
receptors there had gotten pushed back in so it was not making good
contact, or contact at all perhaps, to the pin farthest over to the
passenger side of the vehicle. I will use a hemostat to pull that
out after I get the oil screen in town tomorrow, and hope that solves
the stuttering problem. It certainly would make sense to me, since I
recall the Air Flow Control system makes a shift in the way it
operates when the engine warms up. Since I had gotten just far
enough down the road to really warm the engine up, and the stutter
really only happened when the engine was at higher revs, I am
hopefully this will solve the problem.
On that note, anyone know the what the pins are on the AFC control
module going from left (driver) to right (passenger) side?
thanks for all the help - what a great list and community!
David.
On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Justin Mayrand wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> In short, no.
>
> On my 1980 Westy, I remove this cover w/ every oil change (as well
> as the drain plug), to get all the oil out and to clean/check the
> screen. I have always reused the old gasket, and have zero leaks
> (this is after about 6 or 7 oil changes). I have yet to find
> anything in the screen (because of the oil filter, of course), but
> still pull it. ...JMM
>
> Justin M. Mayrand
> 1980 Westy "SuperVan"
>
> On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:43 PM, David Johnson wrote:
>
>> Ok. I think I have messed up big time, but want feedback. I was
>> getting Blue Midget, my 1980 Vanagon Westy ready for a trip over the
>> weekend. As part of this, I went ahead and did an oil change (first
>> time on this car). But I didn't ready my John Muir completely before
>> I did it, and so I screwed at least one thing up, but I am wondering
>> about more.
>>
>> 1. When I drained the oil, I saw the big disc shaped thing with a
>> bolt in it, and figured that was the drain plug. So I undid the bolt
>> (13mm), and it was a huge mess. As I finished draining the oil from
>> this, I saw the larger bolt that I then figured out was the drain
>> plug. So no problem, but a mess.
>>
>> 2. Did the filter, but then realized I didn't have a new gasket for
>> the disc cover thingy. But I saw a gasket up in around it, so I
>> thought I might be able to just tighten it a little more and make the
>> seal work. Engine started right up, no leak problem obvious, oil
>> pressure light flickered for a minute, but then went off, and no
>> other problem. Also did the air filter at the same time, but that
>> was easy.
>>
>> 3. The following AM, got on the road, and about 5 miles along,
>> started to get a hesitation while running. It was almost like it was
>> running out of gas, except the fuel tank was full (or like the clutch
>> was slipping). So, turned right around, limped it home, shut it
>> off. I did not get a chance to check if the engine was overly hot.
>> Switched over to our Eurovan for the trip, and went camping anyway.
>>
>> 4. Now, I have read the John Muir "compleat idiot" guide more
>> thoroughly, and talked to my Dad who used to have a Bug. He said
>> overheating can cause a similar symptom, which if somehow I impeded
>> the flow of oil, would lead to overheating, of course. And then I
>> read in the "compleat idiot" guide that if I torque the oil screen
>> bolt down more than 9lb it will damage the cam shaft. Problem is,
>> the piece I was working on was not a bolt, it was a nut. There is a
>> little bolt coming down that this nut goes onto and holds the disc in
>> place.
>>
>> So. Did I completely f* up my car by ignorance? What gasket am I
>> actually asking for to seal this disc if I have to redo things? I
>> asked for an oil screen gasket at Autozone on the way home, but it
>> seemed far too large and more complicated than what I pulled off.
>>
>> Any help would be really welcome here - I want to get this car fixed
>> again if I can, but need to know what I am up against. Until I get a
>> solution, I am not driving it of course, as if I was running with too
>> little oil, I already took 10,000 miles off the engine anyway.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> David.
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