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Date:         Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:57:49 -0700
Reply-To:     Tom Young <tomyoung1@COMCAST.NET>
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From:         Tom Young <tomyoung1@COMCAST.NET>
Subject:      FIRE!! How did it happen?  How to fix?
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Hi all:

Well, after 30+ years of driving air-cooled Vanagons and busses I had my first engine fire today. Get's the old adrenaline pumping, I tell you!

I'm puzzled though as to why the fire started and a couple of aspects of the "fix-it" issue.

I hopped in the '82 Westy today to take a little drive to warm the engine up before checking the idle and timing. (Points replaced with Pertronix system so no gap to check.) Before starting the engine I tried pulling off the vacuum hose that runs from the distributor to the throttle body just to see if I could since I seemed to recall that it was stuck tight last time I tried it. It came off easily enough so I pushed it back on the distributor.

Fired up the engine - it started right up - and drove off. I'd gone maybe 1/4 mile when the engine started to die and I noticed smoke pouring out of the back. Stopped the car, ran around to the rear and tore open the hatch and engine cover to find the #1 and #2 spark plug wires burning merrily. I was able to huff and puff and blow them out (all those miles riding a bike servered their purpose), then called the tow truck.

The fire seems to have been concentrated right at the rear of the air distribution box near the cold start injector, distributor, etc.

Pics at

http://home.comcast.net/~tomyoung1/Engine_compartment.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~tomyoung1/engine_compartment_lid.jpg

A quick inventory suggest I'll be replacing/fixing

Sound absorber for engine compartment lid Plastic hot air hose across back of engine Plastic fan shield Distributor cap 2 Spark plug wires Cold start valve Electrical connectors to cold start valve and aux air regulator Plastic tube between air distribution box and decel valve Vacuum line between distributor and throttle body Oil pressure regulating valve

Question 1: Any thoughts on how the fire started? The obvious answer is the hoses at the cold start valve began to leak, but I don't think so. The hoses are fairly new, they seem sound to the touch (post fire) and the cold start valve itself doesn't appear to be severly damaged. The engine was still pretty cool at that point, the ignition wires are recent and, in the past, I've had these hoses leak severly on a much hotter engine without a fire starting. Since I pulled off the vacuum hose to the distributor right before the drive and the fire was right near there these events seem linked, though I can't for the life of me figure out how they could be.

Question 2: The most difficult aspect of the fix as I see it now is the damage to the electrical harness at the cold start valve and aux air regulator. It seems like I'll have to chop up another harness and do a splice job. Any reasonable alternatives here?

Question 3: It looks like sound absorbers for the engine compartment lid aren't designed to be replaced. Is finding a junk yard lid the only practical option here?

TIA. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Young Lafayette, CA 94549 ----------------------------------------------------------------


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