Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:57:15 -0600
Reply-To: Tom <bueses@EARTHLINK.NET>
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From: Tom <bueses@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: Painting
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On Oct 11, 2006, at 3:51 PM, Tom wrote:
> Years ago, my wife had a new 1974 special edition gold metalic
> beetle (LeGrande Bug!) w/ clear coat. After a couple of years, the
> clearcoat started to peel. Took it to the dealer's paint shop that
> said in order to fix, the whole paint job needed to be sanded down
> & repainted-WTF? Several years later, nothing done, & the car
> looks even worse after we balked on the $700 sanding before they
> could even repaint. Took it to Earl & they said, no problem, we
> can paint over than clearcoat! We were selling the vw, so said,
> what the hell, & they painted everything that wasn't masked off or
> removed, tires, trim, the dog, etc. After we battled to get all
> the stuff that wasn't supposed to be painted cleaned, the car
> looked pretty good. Put it on the market, & my wife's boss decided
> to buy it! Uh oh! Do we sell it to her knowing that the paint job
> might not hold up? Explained situation to the boss, & she her
> family drove it for another 15 years w/ the paint never coming off.
>
> The moral of this long story about Earl is: Take off everything you
> don't want painted before taking it to them, Don't expect the prep
> work to be more than the minimum or none you paid for. Prep work
> is the big labor cost & the paint job is only as good as the
> surface beneath it. So if your vanagon doesn't need much prep,
> Earl can do a decent job for little $, but if it needs rust repair,
> body work, they just cover it up cosmetically & you'll get what you
> paid for.
>
> Pax,
>
> Tom B.-
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Lincoln wrote:
>
>> These are exactly the kind of opinions I was looking for. Even
>> without any
>> experience I know that in most cases you get what you pay for. I am
>> certainly not in search of a "custom shop" type paint job
>> (although it would
>> be nice) but I would like something that looks at least close to a
>> factory
>> paint job and will last several years.
>>
>> Here is what was quoted on the Earl Scheib web site for $718.95
>>
>>
>> - Chemically clean & dewax
>> - Dual-action sanding for adhesion
>> - Careful masking & taping
>> - Air-blown dust removal
>> - Tack cloth cleaning
>> - Paint coats #1 and #2
>> - Masking & tape removal
>> - Infrared Quartz Finish drying
>> - Final cleaning
>> - Many additional colors
>> - Paint coat #3 (base coat) for a uniform finish
>> - Bumper & Tire Conditioner
>> - Additional sanding & preparation for adhesion
>> - Integrated clear coat
>> - "Starfire Colors"
>> - Extra final cleaning
>> - True separate Euro-Clean top coat
>> - Ultraviolet sunscreen gloss hardener protector
>> - Pro-Tech protection plan
>>
>> This of course didn't include any body work (that I would plan to
>> do myself
>> with the help of some friends who know that type of work). I never
>> thought
>> about doing the sanding and stuff myself - nor would I have
>> thought about
>> removing everything removable before hand.
>>
>> Again, I'm not sure I'll go this route but all your opinions and
>> experiences
>> help. I have found there usually isn't one "right way" of doing
>> anything -
>> but I certainly trust the opinions of anyone on this list before
>> any type of
>> business like this.
>
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