Date:         Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:51:22 -0800
Reply-To:     Nathaniel Poole <npoole@TELUS.NET>
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From:         Nathaniel Poole <npoole@TELUS.NET>
Subject:      Re: EBay (NVC)
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The thing to remember is that this stuff is waaay bigger than the cheque you
are holding in your hand -which is why you feel a bit brushed off. It's not
that it's not important but like you said, these scams involve thousands of
people and huge amounts of money. The sources of these scams are almost
always offshore, and from what I've heard involve organised crime. It's not
just some lone crook sitting in his basement lurking on ebay and firing off
emails. It's just good that you were on the ball and the buggers wasted
their time. As long as there is e-commerce there will be e-crooks just as in
any other economic system. The hard part of it all is that these guys are so
invisible. They must feel pretty cocky being able to rip people off from
thousands of miles away.

Nathaniel


On 11/28/06 8:12 AM, "Jeff Lincoln" <magikvw@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> Thanks Dave. I agree whole heartedly. It's hard not to feel like I am
> holding the smoking gun that could nail someone but again I understand the
> limitations of things too. In the long run I will have to quote my
> girlfriend Patty "Cheaters get Cheated" - whoever this person is the'll get
> theirs eventually.
>
> On 11/28/06, David Bohannan <fjazzbass@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You did what you could do...
>>
>> And actually it was the best thing we possibly could do...you told
>> someone...our community, tell everyone you know...
>>
>> These folks will continue to dupe folks that are ignorant, so education is
>> a big thing...
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to fill us all in...you did your part...
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 11/28/06, Jeff Lincoln < magikvw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I called the credit union who supposedly issued the cashier's check and
>>> they
>>> confirmed what I already knew - the check is bogus. So I asked if they
>>> wanted a copy or any information. Surprisingly they didn't. They said
>>> they
>>> have people working on this stuff already and didn't seem to be very
>>> interested.
>>>
>>> So then called the Detroit FBI office ans spoke to a very nice agent. He
>>> gave me information about reporting it to www.ic3.gov - which is an
>>> organization that works with the FBI and other law enforcement to catch
>>> Internet crime. He said that his office gets thousands of reports a
>>> month
>>> and since I wasn't actually out anything he doubted they could do much.
>>> Most
>>> of their time is spent on cases where someone has lost money. I guess
>>> that
>>> makes sense - not very satisfying though especially since I have this
>>> bogus
>>> check in my possession.
>>>
>>> So I filed the report online with IC3. I don't expect much to come from
>>> it
>>> and they state flat out that they will not follow up with progress on
>>> the
>>> case. They basically refer the stuff out to the proper agencies.
>>>
>>> So there we have it. The possibility to nail this person is there but
>>> anyone
>>> who can do anything about it is either over worked already or doesn't
>>> really
>>> care.
>>>
>>> I hope something is done before this person scams someone who doesn't
>>> catch
>>> on. Oh well we will see I guess.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> 90' Carat (It's Blue, It's Beautiful, It needs a lot of work)
>>> 86' (Soon to be donating organs to the 90')
>>> 85' GL (sidelined but to be resurrected in the near future)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave - KC9FYM
>> http://fjazzbass.blogspot.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
> 90' Carat (It's Blue, It's Beautiful, It needs a lot of work)
> 86' (Soon to be donating organs to the 90')
> 85' GL (sidelined but to be resurrected in the near future)