Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:44:36 EST
Reply-To: JordanVw@AOL.COM
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: JordanVw@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: NOTICE about "REPRO jailbars" some new parts vendors are
selling
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In a message dated 12/23/06 2:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
vanagon@busdepot.com writes:
> Chris, I'm sure you can sell your precious jailbars without having to stoop
> so low as to disparage a competing product that you've never actually seen.
>
> I already corrected you yesterday, quite politely, when you provided this
> misinformation to the list regarding the Just Kampers Vanagon jailbars
> (which, incidentally, you have never seen nor tried to install). At that
> time I assumed it an honest mistake. Yet, inexplicably, you repeat it today,
> even more forcefully. Let me see how clearly I can put this. The Just
> Kampers jailbars for the Vanagon are specifically designed to fit a Vanagon,
> and they do fit. Contrary to your "sight-unseen" claim, you do NOT have to
> "bend a few parts this way and tweak a few that way" to make them fit. You
> just have to screw them on, and that's that. My first shipment sold out
> quickly and I had no complaints about the look _or_ the fit. I don't know
> how I can state this any more plainly.
>
> I don't think you have to resort to slamming other products sight-unseen in
> order to sell your used jailbars. $75 is a reasonable price, and I'm sure
> there are a couple of people who will gladly pay that much to get a used
> original set rather than a new aftermarket set.
>
> I will have to look at a set to answer whether the mount at the bottom of
> the post of the Vanagon version is the same shape as on an original German
> one, or how bright the finish is. I didn't answer your question immediately
> because as I already said, I'm out of stock on them until Tuesday so I don't
> have a set to look at until then. (And even if I did, I can't say I'd rush
> out to my shop over Christmas weekend just to find out. This isn't exactly a
> life-or-death matter.) I don't think the majority of Vanagon owners are
> nearly as concerned about this sort of minutia as you are anyway, but for
> those who are, I would certainly recommend a used original set.
>
> Slamming other people's products for your own personal gain is beneath you
> and beneath this list. You will notice that the other vendors here (and yes,
> you are a commercial vendor, as you part out Vanagons for profit) treat
> eachother with respect.
>
> It's a waste of everyone's time, including mine, to get into a pissing
> contest over jailbar minutia. I'm sure Chris' used jailbars are in great
> shape (he's very fastidious about his parts), and anyone who wants a used
> original set should definitely buy them.
>
>
hi ron.. im sorry you misconstrued my post.. i dont believe i used your
name, or Busdepot's name in my post at all (you may want to go back and check) .
i knew about Just Kampers selling them (which is the reason i posted the heads
up) but wasnt even aware you were selling them until a listmember told me
yesterday. no need to fire off at the hip against me.
my point was that Just Kampers (as far as i am aware, BusDepot and Just
Kampers are not the same company, or am i wrong?) sells the aftermarket repop one
that is the '79 down bus style, and modifies it to fit the vanagon (perhaps
they "tweak" it, not the customer). the '79 down bus style being the one
with 3 mounting screws on the center post, and a "spade' shaped base. which is
not the same style as the vanagon one.
am i right or am i wrong? please do check, after the holidays, in your free
time, of course.. and please do post a pic to your website (i noticed your
only pic is of the bus ones).. maybe you can prove me wrong..
as far as minutiae.. well you think if someone was going to repop a period
acessory, they would at least try to be as close to the original as possible..
i think we can all agree on that..not use something from another model.. that
was my only point.
i wasnt "slamming" Just Kampers product, but i do have a problem with how
they were trying to pass it off as a vanagon one when the two are obviously
different.
anyway, once again im sorry you misconstrued my post as being a jab at
busdepot...like i said there was no mention of you or busdepot..
and ron, im sure you can sell all your "precious" jailbars as well. just
think of this as good advertising for Busdepot!
Merry christmas all!!
Jingle Bars and all that good stuff
chris
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