Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:52:22 -0600
Reply-To: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
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From: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
Subject: Re: Re was Alarm system,
was Bus story - using a gun??? Now this gun stuff worries me; VC,
honest
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I've been held at gunpoint once, by a cop, and it was at a border
crossing from Switzerland into France. I had left my passport in my
hotel in Geneva. The other two people in the car had their passports
on the dashboard, he could see one was missing and pulled us in. The
guy was on the phone with some superior while his rifle was in a
sling over his shoulder, but pointed right at me the whole time
through the window of the rented car. He acted as if he spoke no
english and made me speak french to defend myself, and after about
twenty minutes he let us go and then said "I think that if I come to
Alabama I will need more with me than my driver's license."
After the other two passengers changed underwear, we were on our way.
He was awfully free with the way he wielded that rifle at us, I'll
say that.
Jim
On Jan 27, 2007, at 9:40 PM, brady horrace wrote:
> This might not come as surprise to some on the list that know me,
> but I have twice had guns
> pulled on me by civilians while driving in Yonkers NY and Danbury
> CT. To date and this is no exaggeration I have been pulled over
> 157 times by the police two of those time they pulled a gun on me.
> Once in Oregon and once in Harrison NY and that time the cop put
> the loaded gun to my head for speeding... Let me just say that that
> is not a very safe feeling. I haven't had a gun pulled on me in a
> while by anyone and at this point my license is totally clean.
> I've been very lucky!
> Brady
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mike Collum <collum@VERIZON.NET>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:01:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Re was Alarm system, was Bus story -
> using a gun??? Now this gun stuff worries me; VC, honest
>
> Nathaniel,
>
> I've been driving since the mid '50s and have driven extensively in 49
> of the 50 US states. I've yet to see someone brandishing a gun while
> driving. Such thoughts just don't occur to me when starting out on a
> trip. But you know what they say, YMMV.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Nathaniel Poole wrote:
>> I have to admit that this is the kind of thing I hear about
>> relatively
>> frequently, and it gives me pause. Our plans are to leave
>> Vancouver, head
>> off to the maritimes, go south as far as we can, go across the
>> southern US
>> and back up the west coast. I have spent a fair bit of time in
>> Washington
>> state and Oregon, but that's about it. But we have a story up
>> here, no doubt
>> partially myth, about Americans and their handguns, and frankly it
>> has me
>> worried. I'm not gun-shy; I've hunted myself and grew up with several
>> hunting weapons around me. It's the apparent prevalence of people
>> carrying
>> around weapons to maim/kill other people that makes me wonder if
>> this trip
>> is such a good idea.
>>
>> Now I'll be clear, I'm not dissing America; I've yet to meet an
>> American I
>> didn't like and I love many aspects of the culture; it's just this
>> gun thing
>> that has me concerned. I read something the other day that said more
>> Americans die by guns in DC in a year than all the soldiers that
>> have died
>> in Iraq. Don't know if it's true.
>>
>> Of course we have our own problems with violence in Canada, and
>> guns are
>> becoming more of an issue, but it tends to involve immigrants
>> rather than
>> privileged white mainstream folks like my family. Should this
>> really be a
>> concern or is this just selective reporting in the media and too
>> many cop
>> shows? Anyone else run into problems with folks waving guns in
>> their faces
>> while traveling in the US? I've never run into it in any of my
>> trips to the
>> US so far.
>>
>> Nathaniel
>>
>>
>> On 1/27/07 4:16 AM, "Robert Fisher" <refisher@MCHSI.COM> wrote:
>>
>>> I knew a guy that told me almost the same thing about Iowa, of
>>> all places.
>>> Claimed you could pop anybody you saw walking across your lower
>>> forty if
>>> they didn't have your permission- you only got in trouble if you
>>> missed. He
>>> was dead serious. I told him he might oughta look into that a
>>> little more
>>> after he moved there.
>>>
>>> I was at my Uncle's place in AZ when this ancient buddy of his
>>> drops by,
>>> drunk as a lord and wearing a belt and holster with a six-shooter
>>> that
>>> looked older than he was- I mean he looked like he'd wandered
>>> right in from
>>> the Old West, except he was probably just a kid when he started
>>> wanderin'.
>>> Had the hat, the vest, the bandanna, the whole get-up.
>>>
>>> His hand kept hovering near the butt of the gun, which was not
>>> strapped that
>>> I could see, and a couple of times he kind of caressed the
>>> holster. After a
>>> few minutes I told my Uncle that we were leaving. He asked why,
>>> and I told
>>> him what Yosemite Sam was doing and that I didn't feel like it
>>> was a good
>>> idea to let my two and four year olds run around and play while
>>> this old
>>> coot starting having flashbacks of his days in Tombstone. I told
>>> him if he
>>> actually grabbed the thing I was going to have to go over there
>>> and take it
>>> from him so maybe it would be better if we just split- even tho
>>> we were
>>> supposed to be there for dinner. He went over to the guy and
>>> basically said
>>> 'hey, we've got family over and were getting ready to eat, why
>>> don't you
>>> come back another time...' and the guy was cool with it. He got
>>> up, kind of
>>> swayed goodbye and stumbled out the gate and up the street. He
>>> actually
>>> seemed like a nice enough old drunk and I didn't want to put my
>>> Uncle on the
>>> spot, but I wasn't having that while my kids were there.
>>>
>>> Apparently this was pretty much the old guy's state of existence,
>>> drunk and
>>> wearing a gun. I was told later that it was legal in AZ to carry
>>> a gun in
>>> the open in that fashion, but it wasn't legal to be drunk while
>>> you were
>>> doing it- this guy was sort of a local fixture and he'd never
>>> hurt anybody
>>> so they left him alone. Just one of those things that reminds you
>>> that you
>>> aren't in Cali anymore- people wearing gun belts, driving
>>> motorcycles
>>> without helmets and smoking in restaurants.
>>>
>>> Cya,
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Karl Mullendore" <groups@WESTYVENTURES.COM>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Alarm system, was Bus story - using a gun???
>>>
>>>
>>>> Actually, a friend just returned from Tanzania, he claims that
>>>> you very
>>>> well
>>>> can shoot to kill anyone spotted stealing from you there. He
>>>> also said
>>>> most
>>>> people are packin'. :-O
>>
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