Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:29:58 -0500
Reply-To: Jim Akiba <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
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From: Jim Akiba <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
Subject: Re: California law (smog)
In-Reply-To: <CAEOIPKOOCKNBBDDDMBPIECMNNAA.jeff@vanagonparts.com>
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Well here's where it gets even more complex. Actually we could easily put
all of the emissions gear into the vanagon, the stock cat, the differential
pressure sense EGR, the evaporative emissions system and leakdown gear, the
canister and purge gear, and have all readiness codes set. It doesn't
matter. In such a case the vanagon would achieve and be able to comply with
SULEV vehicle status, but because of the stock transmission carryover
requirement, it makes it all for not. Lot's of CA guys would love an SULEV
vanagon with more power, we've lost more than a dozen sales already because
of these arbitrary restraints.
Tuner cars are legal so long as the aftermarket equipment has an executive
order from the CARB. A turbo kit for a honda may well have an EO, as all
they need to do is apply and then go through a round of testing to show that
it does not adversly affect emissions beyond applicable limits. CARB has
issued Eos to conversions as well, but is now taking the stance that it is a
BAR matter, and despite our submission of a full application and our
readiness to do the lab testing, refuses to go any further with us because
it is much easier to say no to a company of 3 guys with no lawyers and no
resources to disrupt their bureacratic iso-chamber. And BAR as you recall
says no tranny, no swappy, so we can only convert folks registered in zone
3(rural) in CA.
Absolutely air quality has improved everywhere... But imagine what it would
be like if it was done well.
Jim Akiba
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Schwaia [mailto:jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:40 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: California law (smog)
Yep. California is a little pyscho when it comes to their emissions laws.
Engine swaps are okay, but only if you take everything emissions related
from the donor vehicle and put it in the swap vehicle. That's why late
model engines that are OBD-II are nearly impossible to put in a Vanagon
(sorry Bostig). Oh yeah... the donor engine must be the same year or newer
than the swap vehicle, and the swap vehicle must then meet the emission
standards for the donor engine.
"Tuner Cars"??? Forget it.
A lot of the tuner folk, and street racers, will swap their old engines (or
parts) back in every two years to pass the emissions test.
I know it's stupid and could be handled much better, but I will concede that
California's air quality has improved greatly in the last 20 years.
Kanpai,
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf Of
Benny boy
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:01 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: California law (smog)
Ok, so let say i have a modified car (engine wise), lets say a Honda Civic
SI Tuner... now with a Turbo, Frankinstein engine, improved FI, maped ECU...
modified exhaust? i have to put back a stock engine every 2 yers!
Or, lets take a Ford Mustang with a modified engine with... just for fun,
let say 8 carbs! something like that!!!!
What you guys are telling me is that NO "tuner" style car are allowed in CA?
I understand an engine swap with everything that belong to this engine is
kind of ok, but no crasy Nitro modification... at least at the time of the
test!
What i find bit crasy about that is an "offset" (not well tune) economic
4cyl Honda may fail that test but a big Hummer in shape will pass!!! tell me
what is the logic in that!!!!!!!!!!! when i travel in the US, you guys are
scaring me with your big SUV/cars.... Navigator style monster.... where not
to get close to the Kyoto Protocol with those big big big vehicles!!!!!
think big :-))))
Ben