Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:59:47 -0500
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
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From: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: California law (smog)
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Doesn't eliminate jobs. You still need someone authorized to plug the
computer into the car. You know, the special computer that someone in the
state has approved for this use. New York inspections are being forced to go
this route. There is also a lot of information the state can get when they
plug in. Basically, the shop computer connects the car to the state or other
central PC and the test is then done. The get the VIN, mileage, and all the
"Ready" status and then issue the pass or fail. Cycle power to the ECU
before the test and all the "Ready" states turn off. Automatic fail. Now the
shop can charge for a drive cycle to try to set the ready status.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Old Volks Home
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:21 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: California law (smog)
As full as California is with bureaucratic red tape, the chances of that (no
sniff/no dyno) happening is as good as finding ice machines in hades. The
state couldn't stand the backlash in loss of jobs for a lot these
certifiable inpectors.
--
Jim Thompson
84 GL 1.9 "Gloria"
84 Westfalia 2.1 "Ole Putt"
73 K Ghia Coupe "Denise"
72 411 Station Wagon "Pug"
oldvolkshome@gmail.com
http://www.oldvolkshome.com
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On 2/1/07, Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> The certification process for new vehicles designs is based on grams per
> mile. The emissions tests really only make sure the vehicle is working as
> designed. The tests are only there to ensure some level of maintenance.
Many
> programs now are moving toward reliance of the OBD systems for the
testing.
> No faults, all test good, (ready state) then no sniffer or dyno test
> required.
>
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Raymond Paquette
> Date: Thursday, February 1, 2007 12:11 pm
> Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
> > I've always thought that a smog test should measure TOTAL
> > emissions instead
> > of parts per million. As it is your Hummer may well pass the
> > smog test
> > while emitting more than a smaller vehicle, simply because the
> > total exhaust
> > volume is higher.
> >
> > Raymond
> >
> >
> > On 2/1/07, Joseph Fortino wrote:
> > >
> > > I feel its all about Money not air.. bottom line is they want
> > you to buy
> > > a new car
> > > plain and simple i feel.. ok HUMMER?? what a useless car..
> > lol what will
> > > it be like
> > > for them on 25 years smog'n that crap?? hehe
> > >
> > > Peace,
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Jim Akiba
> > > >Sent: Feb 1, 2007 6:29 AM
> > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> > > >
> > > >Well here's where it gets even more complex. Actually we
> > could easily
> > > put
> > > >all of the emissions gear into the vanagon, the stock cat, the
> > > differential
> > > >pressure sense EGR, the evaporative emissions system and
> > leakdown gear,
> > > the
> > > >canister and purge gear, and have all readiness codes set. It
> > doesn't> >matter. In such a case the vanagon would achieve and
> > be able to comply
> > > with
> > > >SULEV vehicle status, but because of the stock transmission
> > carryover> >requirement, it makes it all for not. Lot's of CA
> > guys would love an
> > > SULEV
> > > >vanagon with more power, we've lost more than a dozen sales already
> > > because
> > > >of these arbitrary restraints.
> > > >
> > > >Tuner cars are legal so long as the aftermarket equipment has an
> > > executive
> > > >order from the CARB. A turbo kit for a honda may well have an
> > EO, as all
> > > >they need to do is apply and then go through a round of
> > testing to show
> > > that
> > > >it does not adversly affect emissions beyond applicable
> > limits. CARB has
> > > >issued Eos to conversions as well, but is now taking the
> > stance that it
> > > is a
> > > >BAR matter, and despite our submission of a full application
> > and our
> > > >readiness to do the lab testing, refuses to go any further
> > with us
> > > because
> > > >it is much easier to say no to a company of 3 guys with no
> > lawyers and no
> > > >resources to disrupt their bureacratic iso-chamber. And BAR
> > as you recall
> > > >says no tranny, no swappy, so we can only convert folks
> > registered in
> > > zone
> > > >3(rural) in CA.
> > > >
> > > >Absolutely air quality has improved everywhere... But imagine
> > what it
> > > would
> > > >be like if it was done well.
> > > >
> > > >Jim Akiba
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Jeffrey Schwaia [mailto:jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM]
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:40 PM
> > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> > > >
> > > >Yep. California is a little pyscho when it comes to their
> > emissions> laws.
> > > >
> > > >Engine swaps are okay, but only if you take everything
> > emissions related
> > > >from the donor vehicle and put it in the swap vehicle.
> > That's why late
> > > >model engines that are OBD-II are nearly impossible to put in
> > a Vanagon
> > > >(sorry Bostig). Oh yeah... the donor engine must be the same
> > year or
> > > newer
> > > >than the swap vehicle, and the swap vehicle must then meet
> > the emission
> > > >standards for the donor engine.
> > > >
> > > >"Tuner Cars"??? Forget it.
> > > >
> > > >A lot of the tuner folk, and street racers, will swap their
> > old engines
> > > (or
> > > >parts) back in every two years to pass the emissions test.
> > > >
> > > >I know it's stupid and could be handled much better, but I
> > will concede
> > > that
> > > >California's air quality has improved greatly in the last 20 years.
> > > >
> > > >Kanpai,
> > > >
> > > >Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Vanagon Mailing List
> > [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf Of
> > > >Benny boy
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:01 PM
> > > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > >Subject: Re: California law (smog)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Ok, so let say i have a modified car (engine wise), lets say
> > a Honda
> > > Civic
> > > >SI Tuner... now with a Turbo, Frankinstein engine, improved
> > FI, maped
> > > ECU...
> > > >modified exhaust? i have to put back a stock engine every 2 yers!
> > > >
> > > >Or, lets take a Ford Mustang with a modified engine with...
> > just for fun,
> > > >let say 8 carbs! something like that!!!!
> > > >
> > > >What you guys are telling me is that NO "tuner" style car are
> > allowed in
> > > CA?
> > > >
> > > >I understand an engine swap with everything that belong to
> > this engine is
> > > >kind of ok, but no crasy Nitro modification... at least at
> > the time of
> > > the
> > > >test!
> > > >
> > > >What i find bit crasy about that is an "offset" (not well
> > tune) economic
> > > >4cyl Honda may fail that test but a big Hummer in shape will
> > pass!!! tell
> > > me
> > > >what is the logic in that!!!!!!!!!!! when i travel in the US,
> > you guys
> > > are
> > > >scaring me with your big SUV/cars.... Navigator style
> > monster.... where
> > > not
> > > >to get close to the Kyoto Protocol with those big big big
> > vehicles!!!!!> >think big :-))))
> > > >
> > > >Ben
> > >
> >
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