Date:         Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:54:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Jim Akiba <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
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From:         Jim Akiba <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
Subject:      Re: Oil is Killing our Cars?
Comments: To: dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET
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Also from Mobil's website

"Mobil Delvac Synthetic ATF is recommended for use in modern high
performance trucks, buses, utility vehicles, haulers, vans and other
equipment requiring Allison TES-295, Allison C-4 or Voith performance
levels."

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Haynes [mailto:dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:47 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Oil is Killing our Cars?

So, Does anyone know of an ATF that is labeled for the TES-295
specification?

Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey Schwaia
Date: Friday, February 23, 2007 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: Oil is Killing our Cars?
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM

> No need to get all "FTC" about this... the warranty actually states:
>
> AllisonR will only cover repairs in which the transmission had been
> operated with TranSyndR or an equivalent fluid which meets the TES-295
> specification.
> Sorry... no free fluid for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
> Of Mike S
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:05 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Oil is Killing our Cars?
>
>
> At 11:01 AM 2/23/2007, Dennis Haynes wrote...
> >Talk about Castrol marketing, They sell a tranny fluid called
> >TransSynd. They have some how partnered with Allison so that this is
> >the only fluid approved in their transmissions if you want the
> >warranty. Amsoil is the only company challenging this and offering a
> >fluid they claim is equal and they will back it up in case of a fluid
> >related failure. It is almost the same price so I stick with the
> >TranSynd. I hate having my arm twisted though.
>
> That's fine, if they provide free fluid during the warranty period.
> Otherwise, the Magnuson-Moss warranty act kicks in and they must get a
> waiver from the FTC. You can search the Federal Register at
> http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/search.html I did a quick search for
> 'allison AND "federal trade commission"' for the years 2000-2007 and
> got no hits. Looks like you get free fluid!
>
> "No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or
> implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in
> connection with such product, any article or service (other than
> article or service provided without charge under the terms of the
> warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name;
> except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the
> Commission if-
> (1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product
> will function properly only if the article or service so identified is
> used in connection with the warranted product, and
> (2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.
>
> The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit
> public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of
> this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its
> disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefor."
> - 15CFR2302(c)
>