Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:42:15 -0800
Reply-To: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Global Warming My Vanagon?
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Well, we live six feet below sea level and are paying very close
attention!
On 3/16/07, David Milo <dellaone@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "The whole Earth Catalog" yes, and what a wonderful thing it was. Very
> useful.
>
> Dave
>
> On 3/14/07, Jim Felder <felder@knology.net> wrote:
> >
> > Right on. I remember that during a past energy crisis in the
> > seventies, when I was driving a loaf 7-passenger, that vehicle got
> > very high praise in a magazine article (whole Earth Catalog? Anybody
> > remember that?) as having a very high passenger mile ratio. That was
> > the name for it back then, passenger miles. People just aren't
> > thinking that way anymore, apparently. HOV lane qualification means
> > two, where I can recall.
> >
> > Thanks for reminding me of one more good thing about Vanagons.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On Mar 14, 2007, at 4:48 PM, kenwilfy@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > > One other factor to consider is the amount of people you are
> > > carrying in your van. We typically carry 6 people. Say your
> > > Vanagon gets 16 mpg. 16x6 would be 96. If you owned a toyota
> > > prius, got 40 mpg and only carted two people you are talking about
> > > 80. So in that case the Vanagon is being more efficient. That is
> > > why Buses and Trains (not really fuel efficient at all if you just
> > > look at mpg) are considered green ways to travel because you split
> > > the crappy mpg between 50 people on a bus or hundreds of people on
> > > a train. So I say keep your van on the road. And when you pass
> > > someone in a hybrid just wave and say to yourself, "Nanny, nanny,
> > > noo, noo, I am greener than you, you!" I'm glad there isn't a law
> > > against being immature (yet)!
> > >
> > > Ken Wilford
> > > John 3:16
> > > www.vanagain.com
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
> > >
> > > > When you do, be sure you include the cost of manufacturing all the
> > > > parts of that new vehicle compared to the "already paid for
> > > > carbonwise Vanagon," which can be said for all existing cars kept on
> > > > the road to displace the creation of new ones...
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 14, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Tom Buese wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Joy Hecht wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Haven't noticed any flaming but yours, Robert! I have no
> > > interest in
> > > > >> starting a discussion about global warming here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone calculated the carbon footprint of our beloved
> > > vanagons &
> > > > > compared it to a newer more energy efficient vehicle?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just cur ious,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom B.-talking about overheating
> > > > >
> > > > >> If you want to show
> > > > >> support, great. If not, fine. The events are the same weekend as
> > > > >> Every
> > > > >> Bus, which I don't want to miss just for a demonstration - hence
> > > > >> the post
> > > > >> here.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As my mother would say, yes please or no thank you will do
> > > very well.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Joy
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> :::-----Original Message-----
> > > > >> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List
> > > [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > > > >> Behalf
> > > > >> :::Of Robert Keezer
> > > > >> :::Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:47 AM
> > > > >> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > > >> :::Subject: Re: going to Everybus? Concerned about global
> > > warming?
> > > > >> :::
> > > > >> :: :Jeff Lincoln wrote:
> > > > >> :::
> > > > >> :::"50 years ago smoking wasn't a health risk, but
> > > > >> :::now we know it is."
> > > > >> :::
> > > > >> :::I have a 1952 Life Magazine with an article about
> > > > >> :::how doctors were claiming cigarettes were the
> > > > >> :::cause of cancer.
> > > > >> :::
> > > > >> :::As far as global warming goes this science is
> > > > >> :::exactly why I am subscribed to the Vanagon list.
> > > > >
> >
>
--
Jake
1984 Vanagon GL
1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
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