Date:         Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:01:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
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From:         Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Some Hwy 395 trip stuff
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Doesn't seem right at all, but as I never had the seat of my pants
calibrated I can't give an objective argument. It seems to me that the climb
up Cajon happens pretty much 'all at once' so to speak and the other is more
of a climb-level off-climb type of deal. I'll have to pay more attention
next time. Having said that, I think I'd still go the 14- if the climb is
essentially equal the traffic, safety factors and such are still far better,
to my mind.

Cya,
Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott" <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Some Hwy 395 trip stuff


> On 4/24/2007 11:01 AM Robert Fisher wrote:
>
>>
>> The other Mike (Squirrel type) said: "Up 14? We come up the 15 from San
>> Diego through Riverside/San Bernardino, up to Victorville and catch the
>> 395
>> there. It's 170 miles that way from the 15/215 junction to where the 14
>> meets the 395. The other way -- going up the 15 to get to the 210 to get
>> to
>> the 14 then to 395 -- is 225 miles. A bit more. Still, if it's easier to
>> go
>> that way than climb over the Cajon grade, I'm all ears. Is 14 a gentler
>> way
>> to get up out of the basin into the high desert?"
>>
>> There are a few significant grades south of Palmdale but they're nothing
>> like Cajon. I believe you're making the same climb elevation-wise for the
>> most part but generally it's much more gradual and spread out.
>
> Hi Robert, I fired up my copy of DeLorme's Topo 6 and had it show me the
> profile of the two routes: up 15 from San Berdoo to Cajon, and up 14.
> Both routes contained a long portion that climbed steadily up up up for
> 10 - 20 miles. Looking at those portions alone, the average grade up to
> Cajon was 7% according to the software, while the average grade up 14
> was 8%.
>
> I agree with you entirely about how dismal, dreary, and stunningly ugly
> it is from Cajon to Inyokern along the 15 / 395. Slit your wrist
> depressing.
>
> --
>
> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
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