Date:         Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:12:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Ron Mueller <wasserbox@MSN.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Ron Mueller <wasserbox@MSN.COM>
Subject:      Re: Source for Stainless Exhaust Hardware?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

> I would suggest if a stainless fastener "Galled" somebody sold you low
> alloy stainless fastener's which caused the problems.
>
> I always try and buy the best fastener's available. regardless of the
> cost.
> It saves me time and aggravation on the long run.
> Ron
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <mbucchino@charter.net>
> To: "Ron Mueller" <wasserbox@MSN.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Source for Stainless Exhaust Hardware?
>
>
> > "Galling" refers to small particles of the metal between the faying
> > surfaces, that separate due to friction and corrosion. When loosening a
> > corroded nut from a bolt, the thread areas develop these small,
> > grit-like
> > particles that sieze up by jamming themselves in between the nut & bolt
> > threads.  The more you turn it to loosen, the tighter these particles
> > wedge,
> > and if you continue to force it, the bolt breaks.
> >
> >   An old saying we had in the military;  "If it won't go, force it.  If
> > it
> > breaks, it needed replacing anyway."
> >
> > Mike B.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Mueller" <wasserbox@MSN.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: Source for Stainless Exhaust Hardware?
> >
> >
> > > I too live in the salt belt, have converted all of my exhaust
> > > fastener's
> > > to
> > > stainless with no evident "gallling" of the nuts blts and washer's.
> > > It's possibly one of the best update's besides the stainless muffler ,
> > > tail
> > > pipe , and coolant pipes I've made.
> > >
> > > If the codition you describe as galling is really a very light patina,
> > > then
> > > , yes you are correct.
> > >
> > > This is all I have noticed on the coolant pipes, and muffler.
> > > It's nothing surely to be concernerd about, and a much better choice
> > > than
> > > mild steel.
> > > For the long run anyway.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jonathan Farrugia" <jfarrugi@UMICH.EDU>
> > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Source for Stainless Exhaust Hardware?
> > >
> > >
> > >> ymmv but i have had all stainless fastners (stainless nuts on
> > >> stainless
> > >> studs) on my inline 4 conversion for 4 years now and i have had it
> > >> apart
> > >> at least 12 or more times.  never have i had a hint of galling.  but
> > >> since i live in the salt belt everything i touch gets anti seize.
> > >>
> > >> jonathan
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, John Reddick wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > SS nuts and bolts on exhaust will still have to be cut off after a
> > >> > short
> > >> > time due to galling. We did it once after 500 miles.  Every single
> > >> > nut
> > >> > and
> > >> > bolt was galled and seized.  Every one.
> > >> >
> > >> > John
> > >> > Vanaru.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >