Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:05:52 -0700
Reply-To: Gerald Masar <azsun99@EARTHLINK.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Gerald Masar <azsun99@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: ATF leaking into differential; now Governor or torque seal?
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I wasn't having problems with the torque converter ('88 Westy), but I did have the
mess of oil all over the front of engine, wires, hoses, etc. So, a couple of things. A
new gasket for the final drive sump is around $32.00, but I think some use "The Right
Stuff" gasket maker instead.
There are also newer, longer bolts for the sump pan. I didn't find this out until
after I put it back on with the new gasket.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis" <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: ATF leaking into differential; now Governor or torque seal?
> The governor seal I spoke about is an internal leak. It doesn't become
> external until the final drive housing is overfilled enough to blow oil
> out of the breather or through the seals between the final drive and
> automatic sections. Just in front of the final drive oil pan, there is a
> hole that connects to the space between the final drive-AT seals. This
> keeps the fluids from mixing there. This hole can often get clogged with
> road grime. Check it. Also, check the two breathers on top of the AT and
> final drive. This also gets blocked by road crud and can cause all sorts
> of leakage mixed oil problems. Heck, a clogged breather can cause the ATF
> to blow right of the dip stick tube and make a real mess in the engine
> compartment. The torque converter seal will not cause the oils to mix but
> can make a big mess. Usually, it does not fail on its own or without
> cause. The usual cause is a groove worn on the torque converter itself or
> the bushing is shot. The bushing is an easy repair. The groove is a weld
> and machine repair. Rebuilt converter time.
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marla Stelk [mailto:mjstelk@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:11 AM
> To: d23haynes57@hotmail.com; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Was: ATF leaking into differential; now Governor or torque seal?
>
>
>
> Hello listees,
>
> So I cleaned off a bunch of built up oil grime which had flown over the
> bottom of my differential and into my engine compartment, and it looks as
> if the oil is coming out of the bottom of the final drive housing. The
> exterior of the governor is clean - in fact its more rusty than anything
> else. Would a leak in the governor seal only leak internally or am I
> possibly looking at having to replace my torque covertor oil seal? I
> found an entry in the archives that mentioned similar oil spray as mine
> with loss of power and they were thinking at the time that it might be the
> torque seal. I have noticed that the van has a hard time just moving out
> of a muddy area or slight snow - once I get going I'm fine, but getting
> going sometimes just gets me more stuck. Maybe my problem is two-fold as
> I still have the issue of discovering tranny oil mixed with my gear oil -
> it spilled out from the gear oil bolt. Any thoughts would be great -
>
> Thanks volkies!
>
> MJ Stelk
>
> '87 Westy GL
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: "Dennis Haynes" <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> To: mjstelk@HOTMAIL.COM, vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: RE: ATF leaking into differential
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:24:41 -0400
> >Marla,
> >Have many times has your tranny been opened? You just are not having
> >luck.
> >
> >A very good possibility is your leak is from the governor seal. 1-2
> >hour repair, tranny stays in place. Not that big a deal.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >
> >>From: Marla Stelk <mjstelk@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >>Reply-To: Marla Stelk <mjstelk@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>Subject: ATF leaking into differential
> >>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:18:29 -0400
> >>
> >>Hello -
> >>
> >>I discovered ATF leaking under the van so I checked my gear oil
> >>level and ATF fluid came pouring out mixed with gear oil. My auto
> >>tranny seems to be working fine and when I checked the ATF level it
> >>seemed okay - checked it with the van idling (which I still haven't
> >>been able to fix - the idle - I think its my throttle valve
> >>switch...) - so my question is - how dangerous is it to keep
> >>driving it in this condition? I'm guessing its going to cost about
> >>1k to get the tranny seal replaced and so I'm definitely going to
> >>have to sell it. But I don't have another car and have to get to
> >>work. But I clearly don't want to damage the inerts of the tranny
> >>either - can I just keep topping off the fluid until the next owner
> >>can get the seal replaced?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>MJ
> >>'87 Westy GL
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