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Date:         Thu, 3 May 2007 15:45:07 -0400
Reply-To:     Jeffrey Lubin <visionwizard@VERIZON.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jeffrey Lubin <visionwizard@VERIZON.NET>
Subject:      Re: An upgrade for a more efficent A/C system?
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There's an interesting recent thread on The Samba on the use of hydrocarbon-based refrigerants (e.g, RedTek) for better cooling at lower pressures. Fire hazard? You be the judge ...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=222805&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Gerald Masar wrote: > Roger, > Your thoughts are interesting, but to say the high speed is very noisy is an > understatement. And if you live in Arizona or any other such place, you will hear it a > lot around town. Too bad all that noise can't be translated into some kind of > propeller action to pull the van forward like an airplane :). > I had my '90 Westy converted to 134a at a large A/C shop in San Diego many years ago. > They did add the second condenser, with it's own fan, underneath the van. A new > compressor also. The system is still marginal and leaks. No one has been able to find > the leaks. > My solution was to get as much as possible of the cool air to the front where it dumps > right on me. Having a white van with heat absorbing tint helps. > I will keep my '88 Westy (dove blue and only factory tint) with R12 and aftermarket > things that always create heat and controversy on the list. > Jerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roger sisler" <rogersisler2000@YAHOO.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:19 AM > Subject: An upgrade for a more efficent A/C system? > > > >> Hello, >> >> Vanagon A/C systems need all the help they can get.With either R12 or 134a ,they >> > are marginal. I think the main problems are high heat load inside the vehicle, and > small condenser. A second condenser seems to help this situation greatly.That is > expensive and difficult to do. Some have done it with very good results.. > >> It is like driving in the rain in summer.The A/C seems to work much better then. >> > Mine always does.The reason is that the liquid rain conducts heat from the vaporized > refrigerant (inside the condenser) much more efficiently. More liquid refrigerant is > avaliable for the evaperator, to pick up heat from the interior of the Vanagon. > Cooling occurs with the evaperation of refrigerant.Thats why they call it the > evaperator. > >> Here is a second way that the condenser situation may be improved upon.The Vanagon >> > has a two speed radiator fan. Seldom is the high speed ever used. Only comes on in > very hot weather.Sometimes it never ever comes on.. > >> If this fan was to be switched seperately from how it is, now ,perhaps the fan >> > could be used to run on high when the A/C is first switch on, or at will. The larger > flow of air across the condenser fins is a dramatic way to reduce system pressures, > and increase liquid refrigerant > >> . Infact the late Vanagon (86-91) has such a high pressure switch to close at >> > 210psi.When this happens,the fan runs on high speed.Why not add a switch on the dash > to close this switch at will? Two wires would need to be added at the high pressure > switch(easy to do), and be connected to the dash switch.This would bypass the switch > when one wanted additional cooling.The existing high pressure switch would still work > as installed by VW.. > >> The high speed is very noisy, but when it is 100 degrees outside, maybe this noise >> > is not so bad.I hear of 134a systems not working as well as with r-12. Maybe this fix > would help this margin. > >> In the early WBX. there is no high pressure switch. However,the radiator fan is a >> > two speed fan.Maybe it could be wired directly,to come on high speed by a dash switch? > More air across the condenser = better cooling inside. This is easily seen on the > highway..Sometimes people say their A/C works better on the highway. Not so in the > city driving.This would add some extra cooling at will, on very hot days. > >> Dont know if this would cause any other problems.Just a thought.. >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? >> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. >> >> > >


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