Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:05:03 -0700
Reply-To: Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
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From: Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
Subject: Re: Was 1984 VW Vanagon Camper Now GTO
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Could the 'G' and the 'L' be the first letters of German words that would
make sense as an option/upgrade designation in this case?
Cya,
Robert
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From: "Thomas Butler" <thomas_butler@MSN.COM>
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Was 1984 VW Vanagon Camper Now GTO
> general luxury?
>
>
>>From: "mike ." <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
>>Reply-To: "mike ." <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>Subject: Was 1984 VW Vanagon Camper Now GTO
>>Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:53:12 -0700
>>
>>GTO was the designation that Ferrari used and that was indeed what it
>>meant.
>>[I think O was Omligato but that's homologated was what it meant] Even
>>though they only produce 53 or 54 [Ferrari doesn't believe in keeping
>>records]
>>
>>Then Pontiac borrowed it, and GT 2+2. Don't know of anyone else who used
>>it
>>actually.
>>
>>GTO run about $10 million right now.
>>
>>I don't.
>>
>>MikeWasw
>>
>>
>>On 5/7/07 2:04 PM, "joel walker" <jwalker17@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
>>
>> >> What does the "GL" designation mean?
>> >
>> >
>> > nobody really knows ... and vw never said.
>> >
>> > but it goes back to the semi-olden days of cars ... when the
>> > manufacturers wanted to designate their luxo models from the plebian
>> > grocery-carriers. ;)
>> > L - usually meant Luxury or some form of that word - more 'stuff' than
>> > the base models.
>> > GL - was then Grande Luxury; more better than just the L.
>> > GLS - was Grand Luxury Sport!! more better than L but more
>> > sporty/racey than the GL.
>> > GT - Grande Touring. not sport, but not luxury ... sort of comfy
>> > trip-taking.
>> > GTO - was Grande Touring Obligato or however you say Olbigatory in
>> > Italian. :) it meant that at least 100 of these cars had been produced
>> > to meet the rules of racing in certain classes under the regulations
>> > of some european racing organizations. if you didn't build at least
>> > 100 of them, you had to race against a different bunch of folks (who
>> > usually had lots more money and bigger engines!).
>> >
>> > don't think i ever saw a just-G label. but there were LS, and later
>> > the japanese started up the XL and XLS ... Xtra Luxury? :)
>> >
>> > so basically, it's just a trim/interior/accoutrements difference
>> > designator ....
>> > an L might have carpet (instead of the rubber mats that were used in
>> > the base models)
>> > but a GL might have carpet AND leather seats AND power mirrors.
>> > whereas a GLS would have carpet and leather seats but a manual
>> > transmission and more hp in the engine.
>> > a GT might have carpet and leather seats, manual transmission and more
>> > hp, but air conditioning (as standard. already figured into the
>> > price), and fog lights or driving lights or both.
>> > and a GTO might have almost nothing ... since it was expected that you
>> > were going to fit it out with your own seats and if you're racing, you
>> > don't want/need carpet, and so on.
>> >
>> > so it kinda works this way:
>> > no letters - cheap car.
>> > the more letters, the more expensive the car.
>> > :)
>> >
>> > simple, yes?
>> >
>> > hope it helps. ;)
>> > unca joel
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