Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:08:09 -0700
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From: "Todd P. Last" <Rubatoguy@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Was 1984 VW Vanagon Camper Now GTO
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<font face="Century Gothic">my mistake, 250.</font><br>
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mike . wrote:
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<pre wrap="">What's a 350 GTO? Don't remember that model.
On 5/7/07 3:13 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rubatoguy@comcast.net">"rubatoguy@comcast.net"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rubatoguy@comcast.net"><rubatoguy@comcast.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Seems Ferrari does keep records after all. :-)
Note that this info is for the 350 GTO, not the 1984 GTO.
Part of the lure of the GTO is its exclusivity; only 39 were built. In theory
at least 100 should have been built, as this was the number required to
qualify the car at the time for international sports car racing. In fact the
letters "GTO" stand for "Gran Turismo Omologato" which translates into "Grand
Touring Homologated" or "approval" for racing. It was either Enzo Ferrari's
name or his inscrutable charm that enabled the rule makers to let the
technicality slip by.
You may have heard conflicting accounts of exactly how many GTOs came from
the Ferrari factory, with 40, 36, 33 or 32 as oft heard numbers. For the
record, this is the breakdown:
* 32* 250 GTOs with the series 1 body
* 3 330 GTOs with the series 1 body
* 3 250 GTOs with the series 2 body
* 1 250 GTO with LMB bodywork
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<pre wrap="">GTO was the designation that Ferrari used and that was indeed what it meant.
[I think O was Omligato but that's homologated was what it meant] Even
though they only produce 53 or 54 [Ferrari doesn't believe in keeping
records]
Then Pontiac borrowed it, and GT 2+2. Don't know of anyone else who used it
actually.
GTO run about $10 million right now.
I don't.
MikeWasw
On 5/7/07 2:04 PM, "joel walker" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jwalker17@EARTHLINK.NET"><jwalker17@EARTHLINK.NET></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">What does the "GL" designation mean?
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nobody really knows ... and vw never said.
but it goes back to the semi-olden days of cars ... when the
manufacturers wanted to designate their luxo models from the plebian
grocery-carriers. ;)
L - usually meant Luxury or some form of that word - more 'stuff' than
the base models.
GL - was then Grande Luxury; more better than just the L.
GLS - was Grand Luxury Sport!! more better than L but more
sporty/racey than the GL.
GT - Grande Touring. not sport, but not luxury ... sort of comfy
trip-taking.
GTO - was Grande Touring Obligato or however you say Olbigatory in
Italian. :) it meant that at least 100 of these cars had been produced
to meet the rules of racing in certain classes under the regulations
of some european racing organizations. if you didn't build at least
100 of them, you had to race against a different bunch of folks (who
usually had lots more money and bigger engines!).
don't think i ever saw a just-G label. but there were LS, and later
the japanese started up the XL and XLS ... Xtra Luxury? :)
so basically, it's just a trim/interior/accoutrements difference
designator ....
an L might have carpet (instead of the rubber mats that were used in
the base models)
but a GL might have carpet AND leather seats AND power mirrors.
whereas a GLS would have carpet and leather seats but a manual
transmission and more hp in the engine.
a GT might have carpet and leather seats, manual transmission and more
hp, but air conditioning (as standard. already figured into the
price), and fog lights or driving lights or both.
and a GTO might have almost nothing ... since it was expected that you
were going to fit it out with your own seats and if you're racing, you
don't want/need carpet, and so on.
so it kinda works this way:
no letters - cheap car.
the more letters, the more expensive the car.
:)
simple, yes?
hope it helps. ;)
unca joel
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