Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 22:15:28 -0400
Reply-To: Mike <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
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From: Mike <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Oil Weight
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There's NO connection to the oil pump thru this 'hole'.
I believe that your experience was PURELY coincidental.
If the sump's oil level is correct to begin with, the pump pickup/ oil
strainer, pump inlet/ outlet, pump-to-case joint, oil pickup tube (where
it's pressed into the case) are all submerged in oil. Adding oil thru this
'hole' may be adding to the overall capacity, but it's NOT directly going
into the oil pump pickup to prime it. (Is the oil pump pickup a tight fit in
the case? If not, a bit of oil poured over it may have temporarily
'sealed-up' the leak.)
A few questions;
Why would any reasonably-conscious person continue to crank a new engine
over (for 30 minutes!) to the point of destruction of the brand new pistons/
rings/ cylinders, all the while, listening to the audible friction due to
completely dry surfaces?
Why would a reasonably-conscious person assemble a new engine without
properly lubing all internal moving parts with a suitable assembly lube to
cover the initial start-up/ break-in period of time?
Why would a reasonably-conscious person, listening to the dry rings
screaming for oil for 30 minutes of cranking, never once stop, pull the
plugs, squirt a few drops of oil into each cylinder, and re-lube the new
parts?
Why, too, would this person not stop, prevent damage, and ask someone who
knows (like this list) before proceeding to ruin an expensive engine? Such
a person seems to deserve the cost of re-rebuilding this new engine, and
count this experience as another lesson learned the hard way.
Also, dispensing advise regarding all this nonsense to others, based on
purely circumstancial evidence, as opposed to proven knowledge, is a
particularly bad idea.
trying to be diplomatic,
Mike B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Kao" <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Oil Weight
> Evan:
>
> According to Dennis, who appears to be correct, that the hole has access
> to
> the driving gear of the distributor shaft. It is not meant for access to
> the
> oil pump so that you can prime the oil pump from there.
>
> However, it did work for me once. No mistake about it. My pump only pumped
> air but no oil and it continued for a total of 30 minutes with no oil
> pressure
> which eventually ruined my new set of piston/cylinder liner. But after I
> poured
> oil into there the subsequent restart of the engine got the oil pump going
> instantly. So I guess you can give it a try to see if what I experienced
> was
> only a fantasy or not.
>
> Here is the location of that hole. The hole is covered by a heart shaped
> metal
> plate about 1/4"thick right next to the distributor. It is secured by two
> nuts
> of 13mm aize on two long (1 inch long) studs coming out of the top of the
> block.
> Just loosen and remove the two nuts and remove the plate you will see a
> hole inside.
> Just pour 1/4 to 1/2 quart of oil into the hole. Recover the plate then
> restart
> the engine.
>
> Please report back to the list and tell us if it does (or not) work for
> you.
> It it does it is not a bad trick for Vanagoneers to know about.
>
> David
>
>
>
> --- Evan Mac Donald <macdonald1987@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote:
>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> This was also how I learned to find that hole to pour oil to prime the
>> oil
>> pump. Without that the pump was able to pump air only.
>>
>> David
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> What hole is that? My '84's oil pump loses its prime if the engine
>> doesn't run for a week.
>> Knowing where that hole is would save alot of hassle!
>>
>
>
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