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Date:         Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:30:50 -0400
Reply-To:     Sam Conant <samcvt@COMCAST.NET>
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From:         Sam Conant <samcvt@COMCAST.NET>
Subject:      Re: What is it with the US? (No real van content)
Comments: To: Karl Mullendore <groups@WESTYVENTURES.COM>
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Truly a non-pleasant "sounding" and certainly off-putting note.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Mullendore" <groups@WESTYVENTURES.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Re: What is it with the US? (No real van content)

> If you refuse to research the validity of this 'study' and then say > automatically that another is invalid because 'yours' has numbers you > want to believe, then that's your choice. Google is a great search tool, > as are others, look up a few other studies and do some reading before > acting like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Your > anti-alternative fuel stance is getting rather tiresome. > > Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open. Yes, we are > done, good bye. Don't bother writing, you're now in the trashcan. > > Karl > > Mike S wrote: >> At 03:31 PM 6/26/2007, Karl Mullendore wrote... >>> Who the hell is talking about corn? Biodiesel production does not use >>> corn oil. Now this on top of what I said earlier? >>> >>> "Corn ethanol is one of the worst ways to produce ethanol, not only in >>> yield but in production costs." >>> >>> PLEASE, READ what is written before blindly responding. >> >> Only if you do the same. Again, no authoritative citations to support >> your claims. >> >> The ethanol paper and article was cited primarily to meet your objection >> - that some studies found net energy gains. The citation specifically >> addressed that - "Patzek said that studies showing energy gain do not >> take into account the amount of energy stored in the corn." The paper >> gave an idea of the scale of that accounting. >> >> The ethanol/biodiesel paper which I earlier cited was from the same >> author, based on the same methodology, and reached a similar conclusion >> for biodiesel in addition to ethanol. The earlier ethanol only paper had >> the advantage of being freely downloadable. If you want a link to the >> ethanol/biodiesel paper, I can give you one, but it costs $ (it's from a >> Springer published journal). >> >> On the other hand, if you just want to continue throwing out red >> herrings, we're done here. >> >>


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