Date:         Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:46:13 -0700
Reply-To:     Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: What is it with the US? (No real van content)
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(Apologees to Jim A. and the list for so much
 off-topic materal)

If we really wanted to reduce pollution, save money
and lives, we would have taken the trillion dollars
wasted on the pointless war in Iraq and spent it on
geothermal and solar retrofitted systems for every
home and business in the U.S.  And we would also
have the workers that could telecommute instead of
wasting gas, time and money driving to and from jobs.
This would eliminate the U.S. appetite for so much
fuel in the first place.  But those in power have
a strangle hold on where the money goes and we are
forced into thinking we are unable to do anything
else.  Playing right into the hands of those in power.

Off the soap box...

Steven

--- Karl Mullendore <groups@WESTYVENTURES.COM> wrote:

> One should also take into consideration how much
> energy goes into the
> production of gas and diesel from petroleum, not to
> mention lives of
> military and innocents around the globe, and
> wasteful use of tax
> dollars. Corn ethanol is one of the worst ways to
> produce ethanol, not
> only in yield but in production costs. But it sure
> does make our
> 'government' look like they're doing something good,
> something to make
> us 'feel good', when in fact it's the opposite. Go
> figure.
>
> Some oils, and I believe the algae oils may fall
> into this category as
> well, can be used directly after filtering, no
> biodiesel conversion
> process necessary.
>
>
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Biodiesel_from_Algae_Oil
> http://www.oilgae.com/
>
http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story?id=45323
>
http://biodiesel.rain-barrel.net/biodiesel-from-algae/
>
> Karl
>
> Mike S wrote:
>
> > The article I cited was critical of production
> efficiencies, how much
> > energy goes into producing the final product, and
> points out that
> > current biodiesel and ethanol production is
> actually wasteful of energy
> > (more energy is used than is produced).
> >
> > Your mention of "productive" is in regard to yield
> per area, which is a
> > completely different issue. If existing biomass
> sources (soy, corn,
> > etc.) were to be used to displace mineral oil, we
> wouldn't have enough
> > farmland to drive and eat. That is the problem
> which algal oil solves -
> > you can build algae tanks in places where you
> can't grow traditional
> > crops, like a desert.
> >
> > I haven't seen any articles which analyze the
> energy efficiency of
> > biodiesel from algae. Perhaps you can point to an
> article which shows
> > actual production efficiencies for algae based
> biodiesel?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



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