Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:00:03 -0400
Reply-To: Sam Conant <samcvt@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Sam Conant <samcvt@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: What is it with the US? (No real van content)
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Thanks, Mike.
The relative anonymity of the internet, in my opinion, coupled with
geographic distance in many cases, provides the medium to be similar to its
cousin, CB radio where one can hear all sorts of claims, labels, opinions,
etc. as drivers hurtle up, down, and across our nation on the highways and
roads.
Sam Conant
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott" <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: What is it with the US? (No real van content)
> Some folks pick up combative and argumentative styles of online
> interaction from fora which don't have as much communal sense as the
> Vanagon forum. Such people are more interested in winning arguments
> which leads to divisiveness and a lot of ill will. They are also tedious
> because constant bickering is tedious and it gives me a headache /right
> here/.
>
> If someone's posts tend to spiral into flamewars, best not to engage
> with them -- or just automatically delete their emails w/o reading them.
>
> --
>
> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
> 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus
> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
> 74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano
> KG6RCR
>
> On 6/26/2007 1:50 PM Sam Conant wrote:
>
>> Whoa ...
>>
>> Lets be a bit kind to one another here ....
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike S" <mikes@FLATSURFACE.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: What is it with the US? (No real van content)
>>
>>
>>> At 03:31 PM 6/26/2007, Karl Mullendore wrote...
>>>> Who the hell is talking about corn? Biodiesel production does not use
>>>> corn oil. Now this on top of what I said earlier?
>>>>
>>>> "Corn ethanol is one of the worst ways to produce ethanol, not only in
>>>> yield but in production costs."
>>>>
>>>> PLEASE, READ what is written before blindly responding.
>>>
>>> Only if you do the same. Again, no authoritative citations to support
>>> your claims.
>>>
>>> The ethanol paper and article was cited primarily to meet your
>>> objection - that some studies found net energy gains. The citation
>>> specifically addressed that - "Patzek said that studies showing energy
>>> gain do not take into account the amount of energy stored in the corn."
>>> The paper gave an idea of the scale of that accounting.
>>>
>>> The ethanol/biodiesel paper which I earlier cited was from the same
>>> author, based on the same methodology, and reached a similar conclusion
>>> for biodiesel in addition to ethanol. The earlier ethanol only paper
>>> had the advantage of being freely downloadable. If you want a link to
>>> the ethanol/biodiesel paper, I can give you one, but it costs $ (it's
>>> from a Springer published journal).
>>>
>>> On the other hand, if you just want to continue throwing out red
>>> herrings, we're done here.
>>
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