Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:57:09 -0700
Reply-To: David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Inside a Subi engine EJ22
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Benny, You do not live in California. You may be right in the case of
in Canada. But you are wrong in the case of California.
Late model European and Japanese cars are equipped with OBD2 starting
from 1997 or 1998 I do not remember exactly. OBD1 is old lady talk.
Most vanagons do not even have OBD. I am not sure if any of them has.
The last year of Vanagon is in 1991 (or 1992?).
In California, and maybe New York and some other states as well, if
you take an engine from a car and put it in your car all the original
emission devices will need to be transplanted as well. If the car you
take the engine from has OBD2 your designated car has to have that OBD2
as well.
I just saw an EJ25 for sale recently. It was from a 2006 Subaru something
like that. If you put it in an 84 Vanagon you are required to take all
emission stuff from the 2006 Subaru and put them in the 84 Vanagon. Believe
me a 2006 Subaru has OBD2, not OBD1. I am talking about California.
Very likely the 2006 Subaru has a 3-way catalyst system. Your 84 Vanagon
after the conversion will have the 3-way catalyst system mandated by
California law. From your reply I don't think you understand what a 3-way
catalyst system is. That's understandable. That's not in your territory.
You don't have to care. It is a latest emission system in order to meet the
latest emission requirement in some states including California.
What is the point I am making? I don't need to spend $9k for exchange
to driving at 70 MPH, 5 miles faster, as you said plus all the hassles
from the 3-way catalyst system on my old clunker with only $1k value.
If your clunker has a value of $15k that's another story.
BTW, my OBD2 scanner cost me less than $100. It reads guaranteed all
federal mandated p0xxx and p1xxx error codes, p0010 to p1866 to be more
exact. Your $7000 scanner sure can do more but forget about it if it
can only scan OBD1. My Bentley manual for the Passat has a complete
list of these codes and explanation what each one means. I don't need
a $7000 scanner even if it can scan an OBD2 system. Gosh, you are not
trying to say if I had an EJ25 on my Vanagon I also need to have a
$7000 scanner, are you?
AutoZone will let you borrow their scanner, take it home and scan your
car's on board diagnostic system if your check engine light is on.
Been there done that. It is useful only to know what the problem may be.
Resetting or erasing an error code if there is one is waste of time.
You can't cheat something called readiness state designed in the OBD2
to make erasing the error code useless. Dealers or manufacturers may
have scanners that can set readiness and cheat. But if the problem
is not fixed the error will return within a few days or week. The dealer
will not do anything to set any of the readiness states for you. They
want you to pay and repair.
Have you been there, Benny, with your $7000 scanner? Oh, I forgot to mention.
Does your subi conversion include a check engine light on the dash somewhere?
It is required. When it comes on don't forget to tell your customers to go
to a Subaru dealer, not any VW mechanic, if they can't reach you.
David
--- Benny boy <huotb@VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
""""One example, an EJ25 from a late model year of Subaru would be a
nightmare for the conversion."""
Wrong again, we did 2 and are starting a third one (2006 x 2, 2007) i hate
to say we... but that include me. In some ways, it's almost easier.
"""You would have to have the 3-way catalytic system transplanted
into the vanagon.""""
Wrong again, first, there is only 2 OS, the second one is only a warning one
for cloggued cat, very different design than Honda or Toyota. A VW 2.1 EMICO
cat is just perfect. Now, the challenge was more around the fuel pressure
system, but again, easily solve by Hans from Vanaru.
"""When the OBD2 system calls for an error code you would be sorry and you
would wish you never heard of the conversion. Been there"""
Sure if you plug an OBD (not 2 by the way) you will have errors, a lot, like
your door is not close so the engine won't start, he he he. But now, you
need to know about OBD reader and how to use them... my shared!! reader cost
7000$. You have been there?
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