Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:17:13 -0700
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From: neil <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Inside a Subi engine EJ22
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Although long winded at times, this has been a somewhat interesting thread.
It has brought up a common point.
Everyone has different needs/situations.
And there are quite a few points related to that. But......
There is no perfect solution. There can't be. Nothings perfect. There
can only be better solutions for each individual. I, for one, am still
"on the fence" regarding which engine I'll convert to. (FWIW, at this
point it's between a diesel or Suby) Some of the dialogue contained in
this thread is proving to be useful. But.....
Can we keep it to the "hows & whys" instead of trying to prove who's "right"?
There really isn't a "one size fits all" universal "right".
(have I used enough quotes to make my point? ---- ;^)
Neil.
--
Neil Nicholson. 1981 Air Cooled Westfalia.
http://web.mac.com/tubaneil
On 7/14/07, David Kao <dtkao0205@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You are more than welcome to delete my post if you do not want to see them
> I have received more than enough pmails from those who agree with me not
> to convert.
>
> In my opinion Benny's love with his bike has no Vanagon content whatsoever.
>
> David
>
>
> --- Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mr Kao, if you must continue this senseless & ill-informed diatribe against
> > Benoit and Subaru conversions, please do it by P-mail.
> >
> > The rest of us are happy to have Benoit amongst us, newfound enthusiasm of
> > the recently converted and all.
> >
> > Benny-boy is a fully-paid-up member of the Vanagon tribe and if he wants to
> > share his love for fast bikes or the Atlantic Coast, that's fine by me.
> >
> > Jake de Villiers
> >
> > On 7/14/07, David Kao <dtkao0205@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Benny, You do not live in California. You may be right in the case of
> > > in Canada. But you are wrong in the case of California.
> > >
> > > Late model European and Japanese cars are equipped with OBD2 starting
> > > from 1997 or 1998 I do not remember exactly. OBD1 is old lady talk.
> > > Most vanagons do not even have OBD. I am not sure if any of them has.
> > > The last year of Vanagon is in 1991 (or 1992?).
> > >
> > > In California, and maybe New York and some other states as well, if
> > > you take an engine from a car and put it in your car all the original
> > > emission devices will need to be transplanted as well. If the car you
> > > take the engine from has OBD2 your designated car has to have that OBD2
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > I just saw an EJ25 for sale recently. It was from a 2006 Subaru something
> > > like that. If you put it in an 84 Vanagon you are required to take all
> > > emission stuff from the 2006 Subaru and put them in the 84 Vanagon.
> > > Believe
> > > me a 2006 Subaru has OBD2, not OBD1. I am talking about California.
> > > Very likely the 2006 Subaru has a 3-way catalyst system. Your 84 Vanagon
> > > after the conversion will have the 3-way catalyst system mandated by
> > > California law. From your reply I don't think you understand what a 3-way
> > > catalyst system is. That's understandable. That's not in your territory.
> > > You don't have to care. It is a latest emission system in order to meet
> > > the
> > > latest emission requirement in some states including California.
> > >
> > > What is the point I am making? I don't need to spend $9k for exchange
> > > to driving at 70 MPH, 5 miles faster, as you said plus all the hassles
> > > from the 3-way catalyst system on my old clunker with only $1k value.
> > > If your clunker has a value of $15k that's another story.
> > >
> > > BTW, my OBD2 scanner cost me less than $100. It reads guaranteed all
> > > federal mandated p0xxx and p1xxx error codes, p0010 to p1866 to be more
> > > exact. Your $7000 scanner sure can do more but forget about it if it
> > > can only scan OBD1. My Bentley manual for the Passat has a complete
> > > list of these codes and explanation what each one means. I don't need
> > > a $7000 scanner even if it can scan an OBD2 system. Gosh, you are not
> > > trying to say if I had an EJ25 on my Vanagon I also need to have a
> > > $7000 scanner, are you?
> > >
> > > AutoZone will let you borrow their scanner, take it home and scan your
> > > car's on board diagnostic system if your check engine light is on.
> > > Been there done that. It is useful only to know what the problem may be.
> > > Resetting or erasing an error code if there is one is waste of time.
> > > You can't cheat something called readiness state designed in the OBD2
> > > to make erasing the error code useless. Dealers or manufacturers may
> > > have scanners that can set readiness and cheat. But if the problem
> > > is not fixed the error will return within a few days or week. The dealer
> > > will not do anything to set any of the readiness states for you. They
> > > want you to pay and repair.
> > >
> > > Have you been there, Benny, with your $7000 scanner? Oh, I forgot to
> > > mention.
> > > Does your subi conversion include a check engine light on the dash
> > > somewhere?
> > > It is required. When it comes on don't forget to tell your customers to go
> > > to a Subaru dealer, not any VW mechanic, if they can't reach you.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Benny boy <huotb@VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
> > >
> > > """"One example, an EJ25 from a late model year of Subaru would be a
> > > nightmare for the conversion."""
> > >
> > > Wrong again, we did 2 and are starting a third one (2006 x 2, 2007) i hate
> > > to say we... but that include me. In some ways, it's almost easier.
> > >
> > > """You would have to have the 3-way catalytic system transplanted
> > > into the vanagon.""""
> > >
> > > Wrong again, first, there is only 2 OS, the second one is only a warning
> > > one
> > > for cloggued cat, very different design than Honda or Toyota. A VW 2.1EMICO
> > > cat is just perfect. Now, the challenge was more around the fuel pressure
> > > system, but again, easily solve by Hans from Vanaru.
> > >
> > > """When the OBD2 system calls for an error code you would be sorry and you
> > > would wish you never heard of the conversion. Been there"""
> > >
> > > Sure if you plug an OBD (not 2 by the way) you will have errors, a lot,
> > > like
> > > your door is not close so the engine won't start, he he he. But now, you
> > > need to know about OBD reader and how to use them... my shared!! reader
> > > cost
> > > 7000$. You have been there?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jake
> > 1984 Vanagon GL
> > 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
> > www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> >
>
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