Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:38:10 -0700
Reply-To: David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
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From: David Kao <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: 87 still not starting, need fuel pump advice
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You don't need to prime the fuel line beyond the pump. You only need
it for the fuel line before the pump.
Maybe you have a clog in the fuel line between the pump and the Tee.
David
--- Anthony Kimmons <akimmons@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I suctioned the larger line coming from the tank and got fuel
> without a problem.
> So, I figured that I'd reconnect the fuel pump and suction from the
> back of the van.
> I put a small hand vacuum pump on the line that comes into the tee
> (where you can check the pressure), but could get no gas out of there.
> It was actually able to hold a vacume! Thinking that there must be
> something clogging the fuel pump or the line? The filter is new.
> Feeling like I'm closing in on it though finally...
>
>
>
> On 7/21/07, David Kao <dtkao0205@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > It's called priming the pump. Zoltan, you made an excellent point.
> > Oil pump needs to have oil in it in order to pump. Same reason.
> > THe fuel pump need to have gas in it initially in order to pump gas.
> > I think you have nailed the problem for Anthonany.
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- Zoltan <zolo@FOXINTERNET.NET> wrote:
> >
> > > You say, you have the pump working for that few seconds when you are turning
> > > the key on.
> > > The pump works.
> > > And you cleaned and changed things.
> > > But it was standing for a long time.
> > >
> > > It is possible, that you have some cavitation in your pump and need to pull
> > > the fuel through first to make it pump with force. You can disconnect the
> > > hose on the firewall, install one that is a couple of feet and suck on it to
> > > make the gas come over the pump, then reconnect the original hose and see if
> > > it starts now.
> > > Zoltan
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Kao" <dtkao0205@YAHOO.COM>
> > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: 87 still not starting, need fuel pump advice
> > >
> > >
> > > > You said your pump is new. So it is not very likely to be bad.
> > > > If you are not getting fuel at the injectors perhaps your pump is
> > > > not receiving fuel to pump.
> > > >
> > > > You may want to think about things at the time when the problem first
> > > > started.
> > > >
> > > > You said you put in a new seal kit for your gas tank and your pump
> > > > was new and you crank the engine with no start. The question is did it
> > > > start before you changed anything? What prompted you to make changes
> > > > to the seal and the fuel pump?
> > > >
> > > > The ECU, ignition module, fuel pump relay and the pump are all realted.
> > > > You may need to swap each of them with good ones, one at a time, to see
> > > > which one is causing the problem.
> > > >
> > > > A You Pull kind of junkyard can be a place for treasure hunt for these
> > > > things. I have two vanagons so I do my treasure hunt between two vanagons.
> > > >
> > > > David.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Anthony Kimmons <akimmons@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Still having starting issues with me 87 GL.
> > > >>
> > > >> I was not getting power to my fuel pump and have replaced the relays,
> > > >> ignition switch, and alternator because I noticed the regulator was
> > > >> bad due to the old alternator wobbling. Just finished a job replacing
> > > >> fuel tank seals and new fuel filter.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now I'm getting power to the fuel pump at least. Connected a test
> > > >> light and it goes on when I turn the key, stays on briefly (a couple
> > > >> of seconds) and then turns off. I understand this is normal. But,
> > > >> there is no fuel getting to engine. Engine cranks fine, but does not
> > > >> turn over.
> > > >>
> > > >> I bought the fuel pump new a few years back, but my van has been
> > > >> sitting for quite awhile.
> > > >> Wondering now if the pump has "frozen" up from crap or water that may
> > > >> have been in my tank. Is it possible to test for this? Is there anyway
> > > >> to clean out the fuel pump or make sure it turns properly?
> > > >>
> > > >> Man! I was really hoping that it would start right up today! Any other
> > > >> suggestions?
> > > >> THANKS!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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